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This Guy Is "So Very Disappointed"

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 Posted 09/10/2006  11:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add texasmick to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
http://cgi.ebay.com/I-am-so-very-di...ed_W0QQitemZ260022887679QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3358QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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I am so very disappointed

I'm on my soapbox again. I get so frustrated listing coins on ebay at at super low starting prices , sometimes as low 85 percent BELOW wholesale, and then watch as those lots sell for a large loss. No 'depth' on ebay. When coins won't even bring a fair WHOLESALE value it's time to really slow down listings. I refuse to put in all of the long hours in order to LOOSE MONEY. I will not keep paying ebay fees to list items a low starting bids which either do not sell or sell for way less than I as a dealer would still pay. That's no fun at all !! I simply can not believe how little interest there is in TRUE BARGAINS !! So, you have had your chance at me for the summer - go find someone else who will sell you all of your coins at HALF of wholesale - lottsa luck finding them !!!




What's up with this guy? Is he just a whiner? Do you sellers think he has a point?

If there is "no depth on ebay", what could possibly constitute "depth"?

And what keeps this guy from starting auctions at the minimum price he can live with? I know a lot of sellers think the 99 cent start is the way to go--and who am I to argue?--but don't you just live with the chance that some of your lots will sell for 99 cents? Do you pay to whine about it afterwards?

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09/10/2006 11:55 pm
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 Posted 09/11/2006  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wrk4lvg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds like a good thing for the consumer!
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 Posted 09/11/2006  03:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought that you could put a "reserve price" on items? Couldn't he simply put a starting price or a reserve price that his is willing to sell the item for? Otherwise, if he was continually losing money, then he should have stopped selling a long time ago. Seriously, if you keep getting the same results, then you have to change what you are doing! You can't keep listing the exact same thing the exact same way and yet expect a different outcome.
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 Posted 09/11/2006  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grouse12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you Snooba (oh great knightess of the coin table)this guy was obviously doing something wrong. Surely none of the other sellers on ebay are going out to make a loss or am I missing the point of have a store on ebay. Maybe he paid way too much for his coins in the first place.
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 Posted 09/11/2006  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snooba to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by grouse12

I agree with you Snooba (oh great knightess of the coin table)


Don't worry, I am a benevolent & kind knightess! I use my knightessness for good & not evil!
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 Posted 09/11/2006  06:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grouse12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Snooba

quote:
Originally posted by grouse12

I agree with you Snooba (oh great knightess of the coin table)


Don't worry, I am a benevolent & kind knightess! I use my knightessness for good & not evil!

knightessnessessness how do you know when to stop spelling that!!!
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 Posted 09/11/2006  06:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add humpybong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

It is the best "sales gimmick" I have heard/seen for a long time.

Is he smart or just plain dumb!
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 Posted 09/11/2006  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Quickstudy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good thing he is done, too. He really proves it with his 71 items up for bid right now.
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 Posted 09/11/2006  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe his low sales have to do with the fact that his positive feedback is only 99.3% (23 negatives and a bunch of neutrals). It could also be related to the fact that he doesn't provide pictures in his auctions. As we all know, pictures in a coin auction are a must to get true value. He hasn't done any research, wants to take the easy way out, and now he can't full value for his coins. I have to say that this guy is just a whiner - sorry.

ebay is not an easy market. We have had coins sell for a fraction of what we projected and WAY under value. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. It's the nature of the ebay market. Unless you have at least two people who see a coin and are willing to pay fair value for it, the coin will probably sell for considerably less than its value.

On the other hand, we've had many coins sell for significantly over what we projected.

I think this seller needs to wake up and smell the coffee. We haven't started a coin above $9.95 for about a year. Some we start at 99 cents. The lower starting prices have always helped our coins get more bids and thus sell for more money. It also saves on listing fees.
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 Posted 09/12/2006  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greekandromancoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've experienced the same thing as Susan. However unlike the whinging seller, I quickly realised, that when a particular coin sold more than estimated, I should take note of what I did right: was it the listing format, the listing time, the actual item offered, the pictures, the text, the starting price etc? I'd do the same when I broke even, or suffered a small loss.

Peter
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 Posted 09/12/2006  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes a coin does well because a second party is bidding
I just made somebody pay 70 euro more for a coin because my snipe was 70 euro above last minute and still fell short
But since I was the lone second bidder it was only me that made the vendor got a fair price for is coin
He understood and stopped selling any further coins in the series
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 Posted 09/14/2006  05:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madbudgie0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I must say as a pure collector, I do on the odd occasion, sell my spare to help pay for my own collection, and can also say I agree entirely with this bloke, I have not run an auction In nearly 9 months because I have seen can happen to me at auction close.
Yes it's great for the buyer, but as a collector, it truly saddens me to sometimes get stuff all for things that are normally scarce or rare, and again as a collector I can't afford to miss with an item. And further more in OZ you can't have a reserve,they removed this option a couple of years ago, so it's up to the day as to what one can get.
Now I can add that yes I have a nice win on some item over time, but this is not the norm, and overall, I really try not to sell anymore because of the unknown factor and previous record, no reserve, and the sad part for us that or collectors at heart is were else can one go?
I hear your sceam about the thread of other auction sites, but so far no one has the following of e Bay so if your going to get lucky with a price the unfortuinte part is it's going to be from e Bay...

Just my thoughts...
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 Posted 09/14/2006  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you cannot put in a reserve you still can put in a high starting price no ?
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 Posted 09/14/2006  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by madbudgie0

I must say as a pure collector, I do on the odd occasion, sell my spare to help pay for my own collection, and can also say I agree entirely with this bloke, I have not run an auction In nearly 9 months because I have seen can happen to me at auction close.
Yes it's great for the buyer, but as a collector, it truly saddens me to sometimes get stuff all for things that are normally scarce or rare, and again as a collector I can't afford to miss with an item. And further more in OZ you can't have a reserve,they removed this option a couple of years ago, so it's up to the day as to what one can get.
Now I can add that yes I have a nice win on some item over time, but this is not the norm, and overall, I really try not to sell anymore because of the unknown factor and previous record, no reserve, and the sad part for us that or collectors at heart is were else can one go?
I hear your sceam about the thread of other auction sites, but so far no one has the following of e Bay so if your going to get lucky with a price the unfortuinte part is it's going to be from e Bay...

Just my thoughts...



Mad budgie

Just a thought
can you post your items on ebay.com?

I know I have listed diferent items on
ebay.com
.com.au
.com.uk
and when I do this I know I have different rules on each site
but if you post it on .com then you can post it placing it in a worldwide listing -and still put a reserve on it
if you post it on .com.au you are out of luck mate.

Give it try and let me know how it goes from your side of the pond
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 Posted 09/15/2006  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the author of "The Whine" isn't particularly astute about how ebay or any other auction site or floor auction works, despite his large number of transactions.

An auction is just that: a place to buy things through competitive bidding. An auction with a high starting bid just isn't gonna get off the ground in most instances, particularly with coins. People want to bid against others as part of the game; they don't want to buy an items which already has a set price. I can't speak for Australia ebay, but elsewhere, if an item needs to receive a certain minimum amount, that's what the Reserve is for.

I have long since ceased adding coins to my Watch List which have high near-market starting prices since I can predict with 90% accuracy that they will not sell. The exceptions are those coins which start at considerably less than market value (e.g., $400 instead of the price guides' value at $1200) which MAY attract attentive and knowledgeable bidders. To the contrary, I have seen coins start out at very low start prices go for a lot more than a similar coin which has a much higher, but still competitive start price. People like the action of a true auction and will pay premium prices to participate.

I start out almost all my auctions (coins and otherwise) at 99 cents and let them work their way up to their natural market value. Very seldom am I disappointed. As I mentioned, if I need to receive a minimum price, I'll tack on a hidden Reserve, but I still will start at 99 cents. As often as not, bidders will keep bidding trying to figure out what the Reserve might be.

Fred
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 Posted 10/02/2006  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Guido to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a consumer, I have a hard time feeling sorry for this guy. I won't buy or pay much of anything is I can't see pictures and look at his feedback. There are too many scammers ebay to trust someone you haven't ever dealt with and see has had issues with other buyers.

As has been stated, he needs to learn how to run a better auction. I sounds like he is doing everything he can to lose money.

I think he needs some cheese with his "whine".
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