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Lincoln Penny Die Clash Puzzle ?

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 Posted 01/22/2011  02:58 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Wild Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This penny seems to be a puzzle, any ideas?

Both memorials are raised, not incused
but the "9" of the date is incused
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both memorial are depressed or incused into the obverse
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 Posted 01/22/2011  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rh13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had to check the glossary to see what "incused"was...that didnt help,,,does that mean it is not struck in from another coin?
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 Posted 01/22/2011  03:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wild Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
--adjective
1. hammered or stamped in, as a figure on a coin.
--noun
2. an incuse figure or impression.
--verb (used with object)
3. to stamp or hammer in, as a design or figure in a coin.


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 Posted 01/22/2011  03:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perfect placement of the definition Wild Bill. This coin is indeed hammered- three coins sandwiched together and one swift strike of the hammer results in the middle coin looking like your example. It is not a die clash, just a garage "error".
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if it is a hammered coin, the why in image "1' is the memorial buildings raised?

if the coin was hammered, because the memorial building raised on a good strike, shouldn't create a dressed or incused impression on the hammered coin?

how could "2" seperate raised memorail buildings be created on image "1" but from the die that struck the coin?
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01/22/2011 03:31 am
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 Posted 01/22/2011  03:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rh13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks,,
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Your coin is a hammer job. End of story - really. The mint cannot produce stuff like this.
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I've seen the same thing done with a penny and a nickel, with the Lincoln memorial over Monticello.
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i agree with coppercoins and biokemist, hammer job, period.
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thanks for the responses......

i guess somebody was even more bored than me too......

so junk......is junk
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It's an good example of a hammer job--and one to keep for educational purposes.
At least you didn't smash your own thumb making this.
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It takes more than one blow. One strike gets an incuse image then take that and use it to create a raised design. Homemade hub and die. A die clash does not transfer the design of the coin, only the outlines of design elements. When the two fields meet, each field ends up raised slightly where the other die's design elements are, like silhouettes. The design features don't transfer because they are deeper in each die and never make contact with the opposing field.
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I think most people use a vice to get this much detail on the middle coin but either way the term hammer job is what is widely used to describe coins sandwiched together to create this effect on the coin
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