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1878 Morgan "Weak"

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Can anyone tell me if this coin has more collectibility or value than a regular 1878 MS63? I have seen a couple of these but never know if there worth more than 1878 book values.


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 Posted 09/13/2006  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is better than the plain old 1878
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None whatsoever, Terry. It's a flawed coin since it's sorta like an over-print mistake. Best you send it to me and I'll dispose of it for you...

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Actually, in MS-63 grade, despite it being "weak", the 7 over 8 tail feathers has about two to three times the value of the other three "regular" strike varieties (8 TF, 7 TF rev of 78, 7 TF rev of 79).

Bryan and SuperDave can give you more details on the values of 7/8 TF '78 Morgans and on their gazillion varieties, but you have a keeper there.

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quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred

None whatsoever, Terry. It's a flawed coin since it's sorta like an over-print mistake. Best you send it to me and I'll dispose of it for you...

Big-hearted Fred



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 Posted 09/13/2006  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks,Becky & Fred,

I guessing PCGS labeling it "Weak" does not change the value either way.
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if you ask me the only way a weak 7/8 Tf is worth more is if its a VAM-44
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just to add to my short comment from last night, the weak 7/8 TF seems to run along side the 7TF in price where as the strong 7/8 TF seems to be close to double the price. I am going from three different sources to come to this conclusion, I first checked PCGS price guide, then I checked ebay then Heritage and they all seem to say the same thing, people will pay more for the 7/8 Strong then they will the 7/8 weak. One reason may also be that most of the 7/8 Weak are considered very common except for the VAM-44 (which is the KING OF MORGAN VAM's)
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Thanks Bryan,
I did more checking last night and found the same. I had never seen the "weak" "strong" designations before.So that was a new one to me. When it comes to 1878's I have a lot to learn.
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1878's are an entire subspecies of Morgan unto themselves. There are so many variants that there are over 200 VAM's in that year from the Philadelphia Mint alone. I have consciously and deliberately stayed the heck away from 1878's, because to start collecting them is to go completely over the edge.

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78 VAMs make my head hurt....
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quote:
Originally posted by Bryan1315

if you ask me the only way a weak 7/8 Tf is worth more is if its a VAM-44


So, is the VAM44 the tripled blossoms?
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quote:
Originally posted by Becky

Yes, it is better than the plain old 1878


Sorry Becky,I should have been more specific, I was wondering about the "Weak" designation in particular.
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quote:
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if you ask me the only way a weak 7/8 Tf is worth more is if its a VAM-44


So, is the VAM44 the tripled blossoms?


Oh! Yeah! and if you ever see one you better beat me to it
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Well, since PCGS Doesn't designate VAM's,it could be lurking out there somewhere.
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PCGS does designate a handfull of VAM's now. here is the PCGS Variety Attribution page that shows all the VAM's they now attribute
http://www.pcgs.com/9[1].20.05%20Variety%20List.pdf hmm. cant get the hyperlink to work so you will need to copy and paste the address because the [1] is messing up the code on the forum. they attribute over 100 1878 VAM's alone so you know its driving me crazy to get ahold of each and every one of them before everyone else does
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