Bullion Pieces. Can Anyone Identify These?

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John Galt New Member United States 37 Posts	Posted 02/05/2011 8:29 pm Found another cache of silver. Mostly bullion. Some are easily recognized, "listed" bars and rounds. Then, there's a lot of other "unlisted" stuff. I've been selling a few "Silvermat" ingots that I found. Apparently, those have some kind of rarity or following. Folks have been paying $7 or more over spot prices for those one troy ounce ingots. I'm wondering if some of these others are rare, possibly collectible. Or if they are just strange. Oh, and for reference, all the pictures of the rounds are 1.75" square pictures. I'll post exact weights and diameters later. Peace design/Big $ Silver Trade Unit The back of this one reminds me of my cigarettes. ;) Just more text on it. Date: ? Edges: Reeded Made/Minted by: ? Orientation of images: Coin (flip vertical) Morgan design/Balance Scales, Silver Trade Unit Date: ? Edges: Reeded Made/Minted by: ? Orientation of images: Coin (flip vertical) St. Gaudens design by Silver Towne Date: ? Edges: Reeded Made/Minted by: Silver Towne? Winchester Indiana? Orientation of images: Medal (flip horizontal) Indian Head/Buffalo Date: ? Edges: Reeded Made/Minted by: ? Orientation of images: Medal (flip horizontal) Odd that both sides have a "Â©" symbol. This is the best looking of these rounds. It has a very deep mirror finish to the fields, and a cameo proof look to it. Bicentennial 'God Bless America' (Kennesaw Mint) http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/...1976back.jpg Date: 1976 (1776-1976) Edges: Smooth Made/Minted by: Kennesaw Mint, Kennesaw Georgia. Orientation of images: Medal (flip horizontal), slightly misaligned The General (Kennesaw Mint) Date: 1981 Edges: Smooth Made/Minted by: Kennesaw Mint, Kennesaw, Georgia. Orientation of images: Medal (flip horizontal), misaligned about 30Â° Statue of Liberty Head Date: ? Edges: Reeded Made/Minted by: ? Orientation of images: Coin (flip vertical) Liberty (from Liberty Mint) Date: ? Edges: Reeded Made/Minted by: Liberty Mint, Where? Orientation of images: Medal (flip horizontal) I like the text on the reverse of these from Liberty Mint. Very good choice for a silver piece. USS Constitution (Liberty Mint) Date: ? Edges: Reeded Made/Minted by: Liberty Mint, Where? Orientation of images: Medal (flip horizontal) Silver International Trade Unit (rectangular bar) Date: ? Edges: Reeded Made/Minted by: ? (Note image field is 2.5" x 1.5" for the pictures of this rectangular bar) PS: If you try to collect one (or several) of everything, you're going to drive your children nuts when they inherit your collection. Edited by John Galt 02/05/2011 8:32 pm Report this Post to the Staff

sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21786 Posts	Posted 02/05/2011 8:35 pm Is there any guarantee as to their fineness? Could they be of a lower fineness than that stated on the product? Report this Post to the Staff
tumbleweedtrumpet Pillar of the Community United States 1418 Posts	Posted 02/05/2011 8:44 pm Morgan looks mad. Report this Post to the Staff
John Galt New Member United States 37 Posts	Posted 02/05/2011 9:13 pm sel_69l wrote: Quote: Is there any guarantee as to their fineness? Could they be of a lower fineness than that stated on the product? That's always a potential issue. You have to factor in the reputation (or lack thereof) of the producer. Also, precise measurements for diameter, thickness, volume and weight help a lot. Silver has a known density (grams/cc) and fakes generally don't match that. There's also the "silver ring" when you drop one on a tabletop. Although diameter and thickness can affect that a lot. Even small differences in thickness and diameter make the ringing sound much different. tumbleweedtrumpet wrote: Quote: Morgan looks mad. The "Peace" lady doesn't look so happy either. Report this Post to the Staff
oblakavshtanax Pillar of the Community United States 757 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 09:45 am yeah I don't know how to tell you this jon, but they're all fakes. Report this Post to the Staff
John Galt New Member United States 37 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 11:02 am oblakavshtanax wrote: Quote: yeah I don't know how to tell you this jon, but they're all fakes. What do you mean by "fakes"? Honestly, two of them looked a little suspicious. All the rest look genuine, and they are the correct weight (31.1 grams +/- 0.1 gram) and volume is correct for that mass of silver. They also have the right "look" and a good silver "ring" when you drop them on a table. One of the "suspicious looking" ones is also the correct weight and volume. If it's not pure silver, someone went to a whole lot of trouble (and this was back in the 1970's or 1980's when, with the exception of one big spike, silver prices were fairly low). Even the one that is "off" a bit on the weight and volume is only slightly off (possibly somebody was using sterling or coin silver to make ".999 fine" silver rounds). I had to order a new vial of silver testing solution. I'm waiting on that to get here before I call the two "suspicious" ones pure silver. But the other 8 I have full confidence in. Report this Post to the Staff
rh13 Valued Member United States 465 Posts	Posted 02/09/2011 12:51 am WOW,,I am not a pro,,but I know about fake coins,,and you have a few I think,, Report this Post to the Staff
rh13 Valued Member United States 465 Posts	Posted 02/09/2011 01:17 am These look good,,but look close,,, Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 02/09/2011 02:44 am Some of the posts seem to reflect these being purported to be monetary coinage. They were not. They are just silver rounds and look fine to me. If they're marked 999 fine silver and weigh appropriately, no worries. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
John Galt New Member United States 37 Posts	Posted 02/09/2011 09:41 am rh13 wrote: Quote: WOW,,I am not a pro, ... I see that. Enough said. bherring1964 wrote: Quote: Some of the posts seem to reflect these being purported to be monetary coinage. They were not. They are just silver rounds and look fine to me. If they're marked 999 fine silver and weigh appropriately, no worries. Yeah, some confusion there. I never said they were coins. I've checked the weight on most of them. They are all 31.1 grams +/- 0.2 grams except one. My scale resolution is 0.1 grams, so I can't get beyond that. I've seen known genuine ASE's come up 0.2 grams light or heavy, so that variation doesn't bother me much. Not every blank is exact. Variations of +/- 5% are common enough. Do you also check volume? And how do you test that. One of the 31.1 gram pieces looks small for it's weight. It might be an optical illusion, but I'm curious. It does scratch bright silver on a piece of paper (not black or dark gray). Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 02/09/2011 10:54 pm John: The only pieces I ever verified for volume were raw gold coins. Pieces such as these do not need to be verified beyond weight; which should between 30.9g and 31.3g. unless they were damaged or used as a pocket piece. The biggest thing is ensuring they are marked '999 Fine Silver' or something very similar to that. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
biggfredd Rest in Peace United States 9104 Posts	Posted 07/24/2011 7:51 pm There were "art bar" collectors before silver rounds became the standard. IIRC, there was an "error" bar in the general engines. We'd typically have 100-200 different rounds back when retail was $8-10. If there were $20 "rare" rounds, it's more likely they'd be $45-50 today than $80, but it depends on the collectors. Limited issue high quality rounds, ie Disney characters might go for $50 and up back the, who knows today. Report this Post to the Staff
ICanSeeYou7687 Valued Member United States 362 Posts	Posted 07/24/2011 9:17 pm The. Buffalo and the gauden replicas look similar to some of the silver rounds from silvertowne http://www.silvertowne.com/listing....Daily&id=687 Report this Post to the Staff
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Bullion Pieces. Can Anyone Identify These?

Peace design/Big $ Silver Trade Unit

Morgan design/Balance Scales, Silver Trade Unit

St. Gaudens design by Silver Towne

Indian Head/Buffalo

Bicentennial 'God Bless America' (Kennesaw Mint)

The General (Kennesaw Mint)

Statue of Liberty Head

Liberty (from Liberty Mint)

USS Constitution (Liberty Mint)

Silver International Trade Unit (rectangular bar)