Help! I'm About To Get Scammed And Slammed - Advice Needed!

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weerdsteev Pillar of the Community United States 1291 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 12:51 pm I sold a restored 1913-D T1 to a guy in NJ. A couple days later he wrote to me (in very broken English) to say that it was not the same coin that I listed on ebay (he said the date was missing!) and that he wanted to send it back and he wanted me to send him the right coin. He only paid $12.61 for the coin, and my shipping is FREE, so I bit the bullet and told him I was sorry for his disappointment but just keep the coin and I'll give you a full refund. He wrote back that he already put the coin in the mail and that he did not want my refund. He wanted me to find and ship him "HIS" coin. He said if he didn't get HIS coin he'd report me to ebay. I told him that I would wait for the coin he was sending me to come back and then I'd begin my investigation. His coin came back today and when I looked at it, my first thought was that he was right and that I had sent him the right coin. But then I noticed that the coin had been removed from the holder and placed back into it...poorly. I pulled up the photos of the coin I sold him and then I realized what was going on. He had buffed away the date and some other features, but all the other landmarks are still on the coin! A scratch on the Indian's chin and another in the field below the buff's beard...just for starters! There is no doubt that this is the coin I sent him! So...I went to PayPal and gave him the full refund anyway and I even PayPal'ed him .88 cents for the two postage stamps he put on it. Then I wrote him and told him that I can EASILY prove what he did and that if he does ANYTHING other than give me a positive feedback I'm reporting him to ebay's security department. I don't know what good, if any, that will do, but I felt like I had to do something. Is there anything else I could have or should have done...? Report this Post to the Staff

biokemist6 Bedrock of the Community United States 12437 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 12:58 pm Please share the ebay ID so others can give that buyer the old blockeroo treatment Report this Post to the Staff
weerdsteev Pillar of the Community United States 1291 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 12:59 pm Here are the exact, word for word email conversations I've had with this man. They're organized so that you can read from the top down: hi. this is tinos210 I received the buffalo coin and you sand me the rowing coin, the one I bid on have nice date swoing and you sand me one with no date atoll, please send me a coin 1913 d to have a date showing, if not I will contact ebay, I will return your coin . at once .thank you Hello tinos210. I am very sorry that you do not like the coin. I do not have a coin to replace it with, so would it be agreeable to you if I gave you a full refund through PayPal and allowed you to keep the coin at no charge? This way, you do not have to go through the trouble of sending it back. Please let me know if you are agreeable to this and I will send you the full refund. Thank you. Steve hi I do not have any use for that coin, I alredy put it in the mail, I do not want refand I want the coin wich I bid on . thank you . you ship my coin to some one else get it back. angelo. Angelo: Thank you again for writing. I will do everything I can to make this right for you, but there is a chance that I might not be able to find the coin or that whoever has it may not agree to return it to me. Rest assured that at the very least I will refund all of your money including whatever it cost you to send it back. I must wait until I have your coin back before I can start this process, however, so that I can begin to figure out who received which coin. I am very sorry that this has not worked out to your satisfaction to this point. At any time during this process if you should change your mind I will gladly give you the full refund plus whatever it cost you to return the nickel to me. As soon as I have your nickel and can see which one it is, I will begin to try to figure this all out. Thank you again and best regards. Steve hi ,this is tinos210 the time I was talking to you, you say you did not have any 1913 d to send me and you wand to give me refund I toll you no. I want the coin with the date showing 1913d the one I bid on and by from you. your list you saling itims I see many coins 1913 d I return the coin back long time the one you say you make mistake and sand me the roiwng one , if I do not received a coin 1913 d in 4 to 5 days I will call ebay and tell them becose the bid was low you do not want to give me the coin I by from you, and you want to refund my money. (HE IS SAYING THAT I WITHHELD "HIS" COIN SO THAT I COULD SELL IT FOR MORE MONEY!!) Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 1:18 pm Quote: He had buffed away the date and some other features, but all the other landmarks are still on the coin! A scratch on the Indian's chin and another in the field below the buff's beard...just for starters! Wow. I simply don't understand some people...why? You strike me as being more than willing to work with this guy. I've dealt with people like this--where a firm, unwavering position works best for me. Some people just get a rise from messin' with ya. Now I feel better that I've limited my coin sales to CCF and friends. Edited by DVCollector 02/07/2011 1:26 pm Report this Post to the Staff
fenton Pillar of the Community United States 4989 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 1:26 pm He probably realizes that you will not be able to find another "date restored" coin and, hence, will have to buy and ship him a regular one which is much more valuable. You need to get in contact with the ebay fraud department, send them all the pictures and evidence you have that he doctored your coin and shipped it back. Hopefully, they will shut this punk down and remove any/all feedback he has given. Report this Post to the Staff
weerdsteev Pillar of the Community United States 1291 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 1:41 pm Oh, trust me, I could BURY him under date restored 1913-D T1's. I'm pretty sure that's not what he wants. You're right though, he probably does want me to send him an original date. Report this Post to the Staff
mycrob Pillar of the Community United States 2602 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 1:42 pm Wow, sorry about that. This guy needs to be blocked!! Unfortunately, time and again, ebay sides with buyers and I fear that if this goes to ebay for investigation, ebay will side with the buyer. I hope that ebay, for once, will prove me wrong! This guy is a crook and trying to scam you. I don't get why he doesn't accept the refund though! He had a chance to keep the coin AND get a refund! Report this Post to the Staff
weerdsteev Pillar of the Community United States 1291 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 1:51 pm I online chatted with ebay. They say there's nothing I can do until and unless he NEGS me or threatens me with a NEG. They gave me some links where I can appeal if that happens. I'm NOT encouraged... Report this Post to the Staff
The_Duke Pillar of the Community United States 1745 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 2:12 pm Wow, look at one of his listings. I added him to my blocked list. http://cgi.ebay.com/1922-lincoln-ce...em1c192b584f Report this Post to the Staff
weerdsteev Pillar of the Community United States 1291 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 2:17 pm OMG...this is CLASSIC! Look at what he wrote AFTER I told him I would report him to ebay if he negged me: hi ireceived your emal and I am very disapiond in you ,first I did not do anithing to your coin second I did not want to cose any harm to no one with the ebay thats wy I corispond with you and not with them , if I did I will go derect to ebay from the first time , but I know we all of us try to make fuw box for oure selfs and I never want to herd no one regardles , I always satisfied my costamers and I give them somthing extra to, if they have any complain with anything I sale . thank you . HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! "We all of us try to make fuw box for oure selfs" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - ouch...! I strained something!! Report this Post to the Staff
Maineman750 Pillar of the Community United States 3592 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 2:20 pm Do all communications through the ebay message system so they have access to it.I added this guy to my blocked buyers,thanks for posting. Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 2:38 pm " try to make [fuw box] for oure selfs" So that's what he's trying to do--change the transaction to his advantage? What a kidder. Anybody can read between the lines and surmise his intent--imo. How are you going to get this guy to focus long enough to drop his ridiculous claim and move on? This got my attention because people like this a constant challenge to conducting even-handed business, something I pride myself with collectors here, as with my clients. Report this Post to the Staff
biokemist6 Bedrock of the Community United States 12437 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 2:49 pm Wow, this guy spells worse than a preschooler so I guess that is the intelligence level you are working with Report this Post to the Staff
weerdsteev Pillar of the Community United States 1291 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 2:56 pm I think he's trying to make me think he's Hispanic and that this is the extent of his grasp on English, even though his last name (am I allowed to type it here?) looks to be GREEK and not Spanish/Latino. Report this Post to the Staff
DVCollector Bedrock of the Community United States 10045 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 2:58 pm Judging by what he's selling. I suspect he's deliberately lazy with his writing so he'll "not understand" you when you press the issue w/him. Too predictable. Report this Post to the Staff
The_Duke Pillar of the Community United States 1745 Posts	Posted 02/07/2011 3:11 pm I uh greed tis mush be a akt, known unh Cud pssble spel this pore. I blockd hm frahm bid ding on my Ebae itens. Report this Post to the Staff
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