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Rest in Peace
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New Purchase What do you all think?   |
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VF-20 cleaned? Is there doubling on the obverse that I see (In God We Trust)?
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Rest in Peace
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XF with some dipping....definitely higher grade weak strike in this case though.
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it sure does look like it was cleaned at some point-I like the lingering luster, particularly on the reverse-I;m in the XF camp also
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Pillar of the Community
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mabey an XF 40 as the reverse wing feathers have much wear or lack of detail..definately cleaned for this much wear...
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Pillar of the Community
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the doubbled D looks to be post mint damage, not a true doubling...one thing to remember on cleaned coins is often times the lowest points on the coin do not have there dark color erased,, such is the case with the M in the lower right its very dark as is also the lower parts of the coin next to the cape by the left stars...also dark....
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Thanks for the inputs all! I do not believe this coin was cleaned as there aren't heavy parallel hairlines, but I do think it was over dipped due to the lack of toning. It looks pretty nice in hand, just a bit white for the wear.
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one form of a "cleaned coin" is when one wipes a coin off, or dusts it say,, that will leave the hairlines on the coin.....many coins in the past have been placed into a fluid to "clean" the coins toning or debree....this has been a well known practice by many over the past decades.....it does not have to have the parallel lines from wiping the coin off, that many coins have...To be considered cleaned....
the purpose of "dipping was meant to enhance the "luster" of the coin to indicate it would be a shoe in for an AU/BU grade by those who were not really looking at the coins actual wear which determines the grade...Every denomination, has these issues...
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one form of a "cleaned coin" is when one wipes a coin off, or dusts it say,, that will leave the hairlines on the coin.....many coins in the past have been placed into a fluid to "clean" the coins toning or debree....this has been a well known practice by many over the past decades.....it does not have to have the parallel lines from wiping the coin off, that many coins have...To be considered cleaned....
the purpose of "dipping was meant to enhance the "luster" of the coin to indicate it would be a shoe in for an AU/BU grade by those who were not really looking at the coins actual wear which determines the grade...Every denomination, has these issues... Well, I see what you are saying and kind of agree, just depends on how you define it. It appears you define "cleaned" broadly to take into account any way in which substance is removed from the coin thereby altering the surface. I define cleaning "wiping" the coin with a cloth or abrasive material that leaves hairlines on the coin. Other ways of altering the surface are: dipping(as you mentioned), whizzing, polishing artificial toning etc. Since the TPGs state the problem specific to the method of altering the surface (F-12 polished, VF-30 whizzed etc). If they know the surfaces are messed with but dont know how, the problem description falls into the broader category of "altered surfaces". I would argue that a "dipped" coin is not a "cleaned" coin. Also, coins that are "dipped" are not necessarily problem coins depending on how they were dipped, they can still retain their full luster and skin. I think this coin has a chance of retaining it's problem free status since there aren't hairlines and it still retains an appropriate amount of luster for the grade; though I do see what you all are saying.  Quote:
the doubbled D looks to be post mint damage, not a true doubling.. I agree, it's PMD. Edited by johnny54321
02/13/2011 03:11 am
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well done!!  it is a fact that many graded coins have been "cleaned" in the past, as it was a "well practiced process", with all coins,,,,, much like the old alchemists formulas...to enhance but not to be percieved to be cleaned... now days....the TPG's are well versed in these old techniques.....you have a nice coin....SLQ were one of my first loves in coin collecting..... |
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Posted 02/11/2011 07:14 am
