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Two Chinese/Korean Cash Coins?

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 Posted 02/24/2011  08:58 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ngdawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Now I just have two more coins to ask about, then I'm done - for now

The first coin looks like this (I've been trying to reduce the size of the pics, hope it works!)

Two-Chinese/Korean-Cash-Coins?

Unfortuantely I've been unable to read the characters, but the size of the coin is 25mm.

The other coin looks like this (seems like I've confused the obnverse and reverse sides though)

Two-Chinese/Korean-Cash-Coins?

The characters are:
常平 (Chang Ping (The Emperor?)) and 寶e (Bao Tong (Common curreny)) and on reverse '土 (Ju Tu) and - - (Two suns?)

The size of the coin is about 29-30mm.

[I know I've translitterated the Chinese characters to Mandarin Pinyin, and I'm aware of that they might be Korean, but I don't know how to translitterate them to Korean, so I'm sorry if I have confused ]

Thanks!
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02/24/2011 09:03 am
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 Posted 02/24/2011  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I said in your other thread with Korean coins, the characters you've labelled "Chang Ping" are distinctively Korean (in Korean it's "Sang P'yong"); whenever you see those two in combination at top and bottom, it's a Korean coin. The character at top reverse is a different mintmark from the one on the earlier coins; I don't have my references with me right now to identify it.

I can't make out any characters on the top coin.
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Ah right, sorry mate. I think I noticed that it was the same characters when I first received the coins, but the I just forgot. I didn't even think of it before I posted it here.

Well, I can't find the coin at all. What I do found it that it's the series is T'o. But I can't find the right mintmark. And the two circles (with an inner circle) is nowhere to be found.


Oh, Just realized that the bottom character on reverse "土", might be "十一" instead? In that case the series number is 11 and not T'o, or am I wrong? I also wrote the reverse top character wrong, it should be 营 (Chienese: Ying)
Also, this coin doesn't seem to have an denomination?
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The four character inscription on the obverse side is Sang P'yong T'ong Bo (chang ping tong bao in Mandarin) which translates as "Always even currency".

The character (营) at the top of the reverse side identifies the mint as yong (ying in Mandarin).

Yong is the abbreviation for Oyongch'ong (御营.) which is usually translated as "Special Army Unit".

The double circle was just one of the special characters used to indicate furnace or series numbers.

The 土 (T'o in Korean) is indeed "earth" and not "eleven". The "Five Elements" (wood, fire, earth, metal and water) were also used to indicate furnace or series numbers.

The diameter (29-30 mm) of this Korean coin means the denomination is Value Two.

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Cheers Gary, this was a big help!
So, is this a 2 Mun coin then, or is it another curreny/subunit?
And what about the year, is 1742-52 too early?

Thanks!
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Yes, it is a 2 Mun coin.

As best I can tell, all the 2 Mun coins having the "earth" character and cast at this mint were produced in 1752.

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Alright, thanks alot!

The thing though, is that I can't find the coin in Krause. All I can fund under the Special Army Unit is a coins with the character 二 and it's dated 1679 but that's it. None with 土 and none with the two circles.
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The coins with T'o at the bottom can be found as KM# 298-302. There isn't a two-circles variety listed.
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