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1890-S Barber Half Dollar

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I have a 1890-s Barber half dollar in fine condition. I realize they were designed in 1891 by Charles Barber but they weren't circulated till 1892. It is authentic even with the initial B at the base of the neck. If that's true, what do you think I have? Can you send me some information. Thank you


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I would bet it's a Chinese copy or a replica of some sort. Pics always help, and I'm sure someone here could verify.
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If you have an 1890-S Barber Half, you have two possibilities- an altered date or a counterfeit coin.
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If the date is clearly an 1890 and there is no possibility that the date is actually a worn or damaged 1898 or something, there is no chance it would be authentic.
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How much does your "coin" weigh?

I put the word COIN in quotes be cause it may not be a genuine coin. Knowing the weight may help differentiate between a Chinese copy and an altered date. It must be one or the other. An altered date would have some value attached as it would be silver and a more collectible curiosity.
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It weighs 12.5 grams
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It weighs 12.5 grams, has the right percentage of silver, has the initial B for "Barber" at the base of the neck which the Chinese ripoffs didn't have, and the date hasn't been manipulated or worn. For all intents and purposes, it's 100% authentic. I think it's either a mis-strike from the mint from an original bad run. Could and has happened.
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Gdlovgren, could you provide a photo?
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I don't know how to add a photo.
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Given that weight then, my best guess is an altered date. This oldtimer has seen some amazing coin alterations in my day, precision work. Those micro-O Morgan "dollars" that were made outside the mint even stumped PCGS for years. If you're convinced it has a good chance of being genuine, why not submit it for certification? I'd say that your odds may be better than hitting the lottery! If you're reluctant to send it in, visit one of the larger coin shows and show it to some of the experts. Good luck!
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I added front and back pictures to my original post.
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Thanks for the pics! It sure is a neat item that, to my eye, doesn't resemble a Chinese counterfeit.

Zooming in on the date to 400%, the numerals don't look right to me. The 8's on other 1890's era Barbers tend to be less thick at the top and bottom, and the sides of the 8's tend to swell. On your 1890, the thickness of the numbers looks unnaturally uniform to my eye. Also, look at the letters in the legend, IN GOD WE TRUST. Your coin is VF-XF, yet the lettering likewise lacks uniform appearance to those on a Barber Half I now hold in my hand. In particular, look at the O in God. I'm now suspecting it could be a diecast copy?

I checked my Breen book, and he notes that it wasn't until Sept. 26, 1890 that a change in the design was authorized. He goes on to state that letters were sent to sculptors, inviting design submissions. Breen did note that a few 1891 Barber Half pattern coins exist. It seems quite unlikely, given this scenario, that the San Francisco Mint would have produced an 1890 Barber half.
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The 8 is less thick at the top and bottom, and the sides of the 8 do swell. I think it is real and there is some explanation that will make sense of it. I'm on old timer and this coin comes from my grandfathers collection from way back. I just have to get it and several other interesting coins to an expert to find out. Thanks for your input though.
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Sorry I believe it is a fake, just one of the 'better' ones. The lettering is all subtly wrong, not just the date. The color also has a look that I have seen on fakes. I collect the series heavily so those who haven't seen 100's of these coins might not notice I guess. Try dropping it gently on a harder surface...if you get a 'thud', its not silver.

However, I also don't think its a chinese counterfeit, looks contemporary (made in the old days).
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No thud when dropped, just a nice ring. It's definitely silver.
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Quote:
It's defiantly silver.



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