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1902-O Morgan

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 Posted 09/26/2006  11:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I believe this coin has been circulated - lightly, but circulated nonetheless. My reasoning:

Obverse - all hair lines are visible - except for slight wear(?) above the ear, and on the hair above the date. Also, slight wear on the high points of the fold in the cap as well as on the tips of the leaves, and high points of the cotton bolls. The mint luster rolls across the coin except for Liberty's cheek which shows some signs of wear, and there is rim damage which I believe came from circulation.

Reverse - The breast feathers as well as the feathers on the legs are there, but appear to be very weak (weak strike?)- full mint luster, and I really can't see any signs of circulation except for some rim damage I assume didn't come from rubbing against other coins in a bag.

Taking all that into consideration, I graded it an AU-58. Your opinions?



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 Posted 09/27/2006  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Ralph

scans are great for detail but lack in the luster area,, I will take your word for it that the coin has full luster,, with that in mind,, I direct your attention to the hair details on the obverse,,Specifically the curls above the ear and the forhead,,

I do not see the luster breaks on those areas which would occur very quickly if this coin has circulated even slightly,, You will have to determine the luster on thos areas.

The reverse Breast and legs and leaves at the bottom which point directly to the sides of the coin if these areas show full luster with no breaks (dullness) then attribute the lack of detail to strike, If they show breaks, then attribute this to wear,,

Whats up with the MM ? it appears a bit mis shaped in the pic .

having said all that from the scans ,, MS-63 is my opinion. One last thought,, it helps if the coin is removed from the 2X2 before scanning I cannot tell if all the little marks are on the coin or the holder .

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 Posted 09/27/2006  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph,
I think your going to find the New Orleans minted coins are going to be your most challanging.Just when you think your starting to figure them out you see something new.. The 1902-O Morgan was one of the poorest struck coins of all the "0" dollars, most are weakly struck with almost zero luster.the 1902-0 is another of the three that was released in 1962 Treasury Release. I won't try to grade this O Morgan from a scan, there hard enough in hand with a 10x but I don't think this one is as low as the grade you gave it.
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 Posted 09/27/2006  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tried to scan some close up shots of the mint mark - they're fuzzy even at 600 dpi. It's definitely discombubalated, but I don't know enough about errors and such yet to tell if it's a mint error, or a post mint error.
Oh, the scan is of just the coin - no container, so I reckon we have to lay the blame for the poorness of it on the scanner, or the old bird doing the scanning.


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 Posted 09/28/2006  03:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Ralph

Interesting that the anomoly shows more one angle than the other ,, I'm not a VAM Guy,, but you may post the coin in the error variety forum and see if you get any hits,, looks like it could be an O over an O possibly even two different O's.

Rick
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 Posted 09/28/2006  06:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Metalman

Hi Ralph

Interesting that the anomoly shows more one angle than the other ,, I'm not a VAM Guy,, but you may post the coin in the error variety forum and see if you get any hits,, looks like it could be an O over an O possibly even two different O's.

Rick


Rick, it looks like its possible a VAM 3 "Micro-O" if it is the "O" is smaller than normal and tilted to the right, as it looks like it is in his first photo.
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 Posted 09/28/2006  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdheyne to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have to say this coin was spent once or twice. My reasoning for that is the rim imperfections on obverse and reverse, The obverse looks like 4 different "dings", and the reverse looks like 4 or more (kind of hard to tell from scans)

We are in agreement, I believe this to be an AU-58.
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