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Valued Member
 Cyprus
349 Posts |
efts..............they are weapons of the traders at the big banks....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
757 Posts |
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Valued Member
United States
299 Posts |
eft is of course, and Extra Financitary Transaction.
But methinks he might have meant ETF
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
There's a whole bunch of people who were trading in paper silver futures a few years ago (ETF's, exchange-trade funds such as iShares Silver Trust Fund, NYSE listing SLV) , who now want real physical bullion. Why? When the Dow went kablooie in fall 2008, the big boys cashed out their "precious metal" paper ETF futures to pay for stock market margin calls. The spot prices for gold and silver dropped even as small-scale investor demand for physical gold & silver was at record highs. ASE's were going for $8 over spot locally, so even when spot silver dipped to its $8.83 low, the actual ASE bullion coins were still flying out the door at $17. The Hunts were basically trying to buy as much silver as they possibly could via contracts, but their goal was to obtain the physical metal. The typical ETF traders of yore (pre-2008) didn't really want physical silver, or even care if there was enough physical metal to back the ETF's... bibd's post makes excellent points as to why there could be a correction period after silver passes the symbolic $50 barrier. As he said, we (the posters on this thread) won't be buying @ $50, and would in fact consider a correction from $50 down to $30 as a "buying opportunity". because we agree with bibd about the long-term prospects.
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Valued Member
United States
299 Posts |
"Hi piffin, during the last time the dollar rallied strong didnt the other PM's start to fall? Didnt people unwind their trades to get back to perceived safety of US dollar?"
Ozzie - this is what I meant when I said relative to what?
The last dollar rally I know of was not because the dollar was strong, but because the Euro was faltering, but relative to precious metals there was little change.
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Valued Member
United States
299 Posts |
"Based on the overwhelming optimism here in this thread, I fear silver is close to done."
That is a conclusion based on psychology while ignoring the fundamentals and the global marklets and supply/demand situation.
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Valued Member
United States
299 Posts |
DNA, I 'trade' SLV and take those profits to INVEST in physical silver. Any paper PM investments are in CEF. You make many good points here
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Valued Member
273 Posts |
Ozzie, there is a nice chart of silver price going back to 1840 on a website called wikipedia. I went to the site and searched "silver prices". But here is a curiosity to consider... my (former) landlord, started buying physical gold when it was at $400. He is absolutely ecstatic over current prices. But he doesn't dare sell... if he sells all his gold... THEN WHAT? What will be his hedge against inflation? Interesting delima. I am convinced he'll never cash it in.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I started buying gold at $500/oz. for a hedge against fiat currency. You are right,the dilemma is,if you sell it what do you have if you just sell it for more inflated dollars! The easy answer to that is buy non-perishable food,water,ammo and land. That is my exit strategy and I am currently selling gold strategically on highs,buying on dips,and taking profits to buy food storage and water supplies. You can't eat gold or silver but you can use it as a medium for getting what you need if you don't wait too long. I will probably "always" have some physical gold and silver but I will be the first one selling when my gut tells me to get out and get land and fertilizer and seeds once my immediate supply of food is established. The worst that can happen is I will have a years supply of food and won't need to worry about price hikes!
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Valued Member
 Cyprus
349 Posts |
sounds like an interesting game plan hockingzig. What do you plan on growing?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1450 Posts |
Fruit trees,lots of vegetables that can be stored or dried,mostly heritage varieties that you can collect seed from. Lots of root crops that keep in a root cellar and things I can dehydrate and/or can. I am learning to cure meats also. Rabbits can be raised in a small space ,even in the city if need be.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I bought my first gold coin, a sovereign for $15 in 1968 as a teenager, but I was NOT looking for gold as an investment then. I have bought perhaps sixty gold coins since then, and in each case, the bullion factor was never my motivation.
I have about 35 gold coins now, ranging in age over perhaps 2300 years, but the vast majority of them are less than 150 years old. With these coins, I have been forced to consider the factor of the gold value in the purchase, but always the numismatic interest has always been the dominant deciding factor.
In my case gold coins have to be part of my collection, because they occupy a legitimate place in numismatics, and have to be considered like any other metal.
The only coin I have bought for purely bullion reasons is the Australian platinum one ounce Koala, which I bought in 1996 for $AUD 500. The U.S.$ price at the time would have been around $350. I still have it. I like Koalas, and I like the design of the coin.
Even so, numerically, only about 1.5% of my collection is of gold coins.
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Valued Member
 Cyprus
349 Posts |
hi sel69l,
does that mean you mostly hold silver coins?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3670 Posts |
Good stuff Hockinzig we are on same page, being ready just in case, as opposed to getting caught with pants down unprepared. Ammo an weapons, water purification an first aid kits, land an mre's.... I found this below on ebay an thought about buying one of these five gallon buckets. It alone is 275 servings (a 3 month supply for two people), and a shelf life for 20 years. If anything did happen perhaps this 128 dollar investment could buy you 3 months, and who knows that could be the difference between life and death.... http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MRE-FOOD-EM...em1c1a0f8b81
Edited by Silverhawk74 03/10/2011 11:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
511 Posts |
The spot (paper) price is an indicator that is usually - but not always - close to the price of the physical product. That situation is already changing as supplies of the real thing are drying up.
Spot prices could even remain relatively stable through manipulation while the cost of silver in hand continues to rise. Spot is theory, physical is reality, and reality always wins.
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