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Mexico 8 Reales 1818 GA

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 Posted 03/10/2011  6:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add g0306047 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This coin is slod on ebay. I am interested in it.
Is it genuine or a conterfeit?
For you specialists' kind comments please.
Thanks a lot.
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 Posted 03/10/2011  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is an uneven wear on the reverse that makes me question the authenticity of the coin. Besides that this coin is one of the most heavily counterfeited coin. If it costs more than a $100-$200, I would suggest getting a graded coin if you are into slabs.
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 Posted 03/10/2011  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g0306047 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you brokencampass, it is $150. Do not know if it is real. Sigh.
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 Posted 03/10/2011  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JMerrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the auction in question. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...t_3619wt_907

I had some questions too, but after reviewing the other items the seller has, their location, and their past feedback, I would personally feel comfortable bidding on it.

That said... Should you do what I would do? Probably not. Do what feels right to you. There will always be other opportunities.
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 Posted 03/11/2011  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tumbleweedtrumpet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the bust is off, and the uneven wear is not a good sign. I vote counterfeit.
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 Posted 03/11/2011  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g0306047 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much for your valuable comments.
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 Posted 03/11/2011  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Tumbleweedtrumpet: What do you mean by the bust is off? I am still beginning to learn sniffing for counterfeits. Can you kindly explain?

Thanks
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 Posted 03/11/2011  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Before the discussion gets off target, I would like to comment that the bust and the rest of the coin is an exact match for the correct design shown in Calbetto's book. The design of the Ga portrait is slightly dissimilar to preceding years but is in line with the Zs portrait punch and may have come from the same master. There is NO problem with the portrait design.

So I would say that the design is correct.

The picture is almost clear enough so that I can say it appears to be consistent with a period strike on a screw press. However, screw presses are still in use to make copies and I do have some slight concerns about the physics of the strike. If I knew nothing about the seller and only had the photo - I would conclude counterfeit.

The real problem I have is the recent appearance of this date and style in large numbers on ebay. There is rarely a month that goes by without the 1818 Ga appearing. That NEVER used to happen. The recent examples are typically well preserved with high levels of eye appeal. That raises my suspicions whenever an "undocumented hoard" appears suddenly. However, I have seen examples (very similar not determined to be identical) coming out of China. I am very concerned this date/mint has been added to the forger's inventory.

So what is this coin? Definitely it looks real, but without seeing it in hand I would not say with 100% confidence that it was either Real or Not. But I am suspicious even though the seller is from the US and I have never had a problem with dealing with him. The seller is an honest upright seller in my opinion.

I would base any decision to bid or not to bid on my confidence in the source. I would write to the seller and ask where he got it? How long he has had it? What his guarantee is? Can he wait until the coin goes to a TPG or other expert and then to provide a refund? I would simply want to trust that I could find the seller after the coin was authenticated.

It is unfortunate but true that in today's market it is becoming essential for coins which have known counterfeit counterparts to be slabbed. I hate slabbing but as the inventory of good fakes increases that a top tier slab is the only acceptable guarantee.
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Many thanks to S-Bob for your insightful comments and kind suggestions. I will pay for the coin first and will take more photoes for your comments after it is in my hand. If is proven wrong, I will return it to the seller within 7 days.
Best wishes to all.
Thanks.
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 Posted 03/11/2011  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tumbleweedtrumpet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I stand corrected. Thanks for more info, swamperbob.
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 Posted 03/22/2011  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g0306047 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, Friends,
I have just received this coin.
I am posting more pics, esp. those of the 360 degrees rims.
For your comments please.


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 Posted 03/22/2011  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With my small knowledge, I'd say that the coin looks fine :)
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 Posted 03/22/2011  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RealPeso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Do you know the weight in grams?
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 Posted 03/22/2011  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pandesalapi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The specimen above looks extremely fine to me.
I am more concerned on some verdigris (greenish substance) that are beginning to spreadout in the fields and between letters of the obverse. It will definitely thicken in a short period of time if the coin will be placed in a pvc flip. I would suggest for a short acetone wash before you place it on a 2x2 mylar coin storage for album maybe or an airtight capsule...
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 Posted 03/23/2011  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g0306047 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, Realpeso, the weight of this coin is 26.8g.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g0306047 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks to all who made valuable comments. I appreciate them very much.
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