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From A Toned To A Blast White Morgan-Happen To You?

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 Posted 03/19/2011  8:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Seller's Pix

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How it looks in hand. Blast white and BU but I wasn't really looking for another blast white Morgan, just one that was toned. I queried the seller and he responded "I am going to assume the photo was wrong". In the seller's defense, he did say "choice bu" in the narrative so I can't fault him for that. Guess I just have to start reading the small print. Left a positive feedback as didn't want to lower his 99.8% rating. No names but looking in the rear view mirror, I'm thinking that perhaps I did others a disservice by giving him that positive rating.
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 Posted 03/19/2011  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JMerrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would tell him you want the coin that was shown in the listing, and not the obvious switch. And, pursue a serious "not as represented" claim. Those are nowhere near the same coins.
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 Posted 03/19/2011  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add small change to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, not the same coin IMHO
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 Posted 03/19/2011  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdh157 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wrong pic or not, he should make good on it. who's to say that he isn't using the toned coin to sell a bunch of other coins for a premium?
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 Posted 03/19/2011  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Anarchus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there is a mark on the reverse that looks the same at the 9 o'clock position beside the eagle. But must be a different coin... Very odd
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 Posted 03/19/2011  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see no evidence whatsoever that these are two different coins, and plenty of evidence that they are the same one. In addition to Darth's observation, note the area around the 4th right star and the ding next to the "C" in "AMERICA.".

This is how much differing photographic styles can change the appearance of a coin.

The first images, from the seller, are lit with direct light of one color temperature and ambient room lighting of a second color temperature, and shot with a camera that has pretty good color correction - it accurately represented the differing light sources. No conclusion can be made as to the actual color of the coin from these images for that reason.

In a world where coins are sold via photos, it behooves one to learn about coin photography. The seller misrepresented nothing; in fact, the photos are pretty clear for their small size and present accurate information for strict grading, which is color-blind.

I do not say this to be accusative, Sidekick-CA, because there's no doubt of your good heart or sincerity around here, but this one's on you. All that said, it's a pretty nice coin, and if you got it for 64 money or less, well worth owning.
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uh, I'm not sure they are different coins... there may be that 9:00 reverse mark, the angle of the light makes all the difference.

I don't think the seller's pics show a toned coin, but rather the reflection from blue florsecent bulbs (as opposed to pink florescent or white florescent). The toned Morgans I have seen don't start with light blue sheen like that, but usually darker blue or red or yellow
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 Posted 03/20/2011  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think they are different coins. Look at the size ratio between the "1" and "9" in the date, either the second photo has distorted the proportion or the two coins are very different.
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 Posted 03/20/2011  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add specksynder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date is the same... there is a minute difference in perspective in the 2 photos:

ebay pic:
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sidekick pic:
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superimposed:
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Sidekick - you can see the coin in hand. Do you see the noise by the the "M" in UNUM? how about the rim hit by the "C" in AMERICA? Do you see some surface marks that prove it is a different coin or is the color the only issue. The lighting in your photo doesn't show all the fields. In that regard, the seller did a good job showing the coins flaws with clear lighting.

I still do not believe the original pics show a toned coin. I think that bluish color is a camera flash or florescent lights. That may be why the seller wasn't concerned... he thought any MS Morgan from 1900 would do.
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 Posted 03/20/2011  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GRR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a lighting effect also. I don't think it was toned to begin with.
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 Posted 03/20/2011  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks beside the eagle on the Reverse, there is a black scuff beside the viewers left wing that is shown in both pictures, its the same coin and I also agree with the lighting is what is causing the different appearance

Edit: just so there is no confusion I am posting what I am talking about and have circled the area

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 Posted 03/20/2011  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all your feedback and after reading it, I have to conclude that it's the same coin. The chatter in the left and right fields on the obverse seem identical looking at the coin in hand and on the reverse, the mark is identical in the left field between the wing and wreath at about 9 oclock. Yes "grading" is color blind, I agree and this coin holds up in that regard. It's disappointing though when I think it's toned and it arrives blast white. But it does have very nice eye appeal with quite a bit of luster and I paid less than MS63 money for it so I'm going to keep it. The seller's pix did do a good job of showing the detail and perhaps that was his main focus; not the color. Was he being intentionally misleading by posting that particular photo which made the coin appear to be toned? I don't know but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was assuming we all have the skills to tell the difference between ambient color and actual color of the coin. I'll have to work on that AND learn to pay more attention to the seller's item description. It didn't mention toning. One other thing in his favor I believe is the generous return policy, even offering to pay for all the postage which I've never seen offered before. Oh well, onward and upward. I've got a nice looking Morgan which fills a hole. Just not toned as I had hoped.
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 Posted 03/20/2011  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't hesitate to leave text feedback that indicates the difference between the coin in hand and the pictures. I almost feel it's my responsibility to other buyers. Likewise, I've mentioned if it looks better in hand than in the photos. No adverse consequences yet.
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 Posted 03/20/2011  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
specksynder, that is an impressive photo overlay. Thank you for clearing the perspective issue up.
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