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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Poll Question
Ok, so I want your opinion: I recently bought a coin from someone on ebay. After the auction ended the seller contacted me and asked if I wanted to purchase insurance for $6 to make sure all ends were covered. I replied to him almost immediately, "It is against ebay's policy to charge for insurance" (I had actually just been looking over that). He replied and said he does it to everyone he sells to and most people take it because of the high dollar values. I again told him he shouldn't be asking me to pay for insurance when its his responsibility to get the coin to me. He replied, "All you had to do was say no!". I wasn't trying to be an jerk to him at all just let him know someone might try and report him in the future. The coin arrived ok within 10days. I felt uneasy about the way he handled the whole insurance thing so I left a neutral feedback stating "Good coin. Buyer tried to charge for shipping after auction" After that he really went off. Emailing me saying I was out of line and that he did this with all his customers and he has 100% feedback blah blah blah. I told him a neutral feedback doesn't affect his 100% and that I left feedback based on my experience. He wouldn't stop complaining to me and requested a revision of the feedback. So I revised Left neutral again and said good coin and buyer will not stop badgering me after I left first neutral. Was I wrong for leaving neutral? I'm asking your opinions. I don't want a million people saying "Its your feedback you can do what you feel is right." What do you think?
Edited by w1a9c8k5 03/21/2011 4:37 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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I vote that it's okay. I wish more people would stand up to sellers and stick with their feedback because its valuable to everyone else who might buy from that person. Usually though most people end up caving to the sellers that go absolutely ballistic.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I have even had a seller buy somethign off me with the sole intention of leaving bad feedback. When I called ebay and reported this the suspended the user for 3 days. what tops it all off he filed a complaint with paypal ( ebay told me to ship the item to him) saying he never received the item or something. I provided paypal witht he tracking info (it was done through paypla anyway) They awarded him the case. when I called paypal and complained I told the lady that I hadattached the emails he sent me to the paypal claim and provided the tracking. She told me she had no idea why they awarded him the case since he claimed (box received was empty). She gave me my money back finally.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If everything else was OK, I would have left positive feedback with the comment, "Good coin. Seller asked me to pay for insurance though, didn't." But that's me. I see nothing wrong with your first feedback and would say he overreacted. Now the second feedback...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I don't really like that feedback stuff. My son sells on ebay all the time and has many frieds give him great feedbacks. If he doese that, I'm sure many others do to. In this instance what the seller is doing probably never gets reported since it is nothing really bad so people just accept either no or yes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1080 Posts |
It makes me mad when folks violate ebay policies like this. The rules are for everyone! Had a similar run-in back when the rule was: if you charge for insurance, it must be accredited 3rd party insurance and you must provide proof, ins. #, etc. I argued with a seller for a while because insurance was basically "protection money."
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Valued Member
United States
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His reaction to your feedback actually gives more weight to your decision to give him the neutral fb. So I applaud the fact that you stood your ground and even explained to him why you left him the gray.
Thank You!
Edited by RealPeso 03/21/2011 6:55 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with what you did. I would also save all the emails for a while, in case he bothers ebay enough for them to contact you.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I like the way you handled it.He was trying to make money for something that was his responsibilty and when you called him on it, he should have shut up.Maybe he learned a lesson. 
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Valued Member
United States
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I bought a book for school from a store on Amazon once (not a textbook, a regular book). The book I received was an older version than the one they had in the listing's picture. It was basically the same book though, but it was older and with a completely different cover. I left this neutral feedback: "Older cover edition, but still essentially same book. Quick shipping". Oh goodness.. they emailed me persistently asking me to change the rating and feedback. I just told 'em I'm not changing it because I'm keeping the book, and it was all true. I started just ignoring the emails. They eventually gave up.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Intersting opinions. Often I buy stuff and the insured ship amount, and the "at your own risk" ship amount are both clearly stated in the auction. I'm so used to the choice, I wouldn't have thought anything about it. I would have just declined the offer of insurance and totally forgotten about it and left positive feedback when the item arrived. Perhaps international ebay ship policies differ? If I receive what I paid for... no matter what the time frame, hassle or whatever, I leave positive. For the very rare instance where PayPal intervenes on my behalf, I leave no feedback. In other words I have never left a negative or neutral. Thinking about it... perhaps some poor seller where things went awry, was sweating it out for 60 days, worrying about a negative that never comes... perhaps more punishing? Anyway, although this may not be of a help to the intention of feedback, it keeps communication to a minimum. Seller sells, I pay, seller says shipped, I say got with feedback... no need for banter, and move on.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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ebay FB has been useless since day one. Used to be open, so a new seller could cram his fb by having all his bowling buddies leave him +fb. Then they made it transaction related, and people would trade +fb for 1¢ sales. Dishonest sellers using shills would bury a legitimate neg with dozens of + from their shill accounts. Last I heard, the policy is "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything". Under this ridiculous rule, buyers can gripe about sellers, but sellers can't leave anything but +.  ? So by policy, there are no sucky customers on ebay. Put another way, fb about buyers is meaningless, so why leave it? FB is a stupid concept anyway, with no parallel in the real world. If you go to the supermarket, restaurant, whatever, weekly, do you fill out 52 comment cards a year? Of course not. You might raise cain if you feel you had bad service or merchandise, and you might praise an employee in writing even more rarely. "Dinner was served as ordered, would eat here again." "Cashier returned correct change, A++++++ store." Huh? Isn't that kinda how things are supposed to work? Then carry this to its (il)logical extreme. If a chain restaurant gets a major complaint, someone is likely to reply with an apology, and perhaps a chit good for a meal or two. If they get praised, they may post it on the break room bulletin board, and maybe write a thank you, again with a possible goodie thrown in. ebay FB by comparison is like insisting every customer fill out a detailed comment card, which has no real world equivalent. Then the kicker is that every card ever filled out is not just on file so the company can review their strengths and weaknesses, but plastered on the front door of the business! The closest I've ever seen to this was the guest book at 94th Aero Squadron, and if anyone read the comments before eating, they'd go elsewhere.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote:I have even had a seller buy somethign off me with the sole intention of leaving bad feedback. When I called ebay and reported this the suspended the user for 3 days. One of the megasellers on ebay, jayandmarie(?) had a policy that makes a lot of sense. Any time they'd get a neg or have a problem with a customer, they automagically put them on their BBL. Didn't matter who was at fault. The logic is that regardless of the reason (let's say bad delivery time), problems tend to repeat themselves. Eliminate the repeat, and you eliminate the problem. And if the customer leaves a neg, then tries to buy again, only to find themselves blocked, their answer: you didn't like dealing with us before, why don't you go somewhere you'll be happy? Also solves the problem of buying something just to leave a neg.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm posting from my phone right now and didn't have time to read everything thoroughly, but I think neutral was completely unwarrannted in this case, and I most likely would have had a similar reaction in contrast with the seller. We all know ebay rules are a bit idiotic sometimes and while the seller should have just done it as he knew best, I would have definitely left a positive as long as you got the coin. A neutral does really negatively affect a seller's reputation and especially if the coin wasn't that high value. This may sound a bit harsh but if I still sold coins on ebay and heard only the seller reiterate what occured, I would have added you to my blocked bidders list. The seller did nothing wrong in my opinion and leaving neutral twice was definitely a bit overboard. I think that boh sides should be viewed more carefully given that there are many honest sellers that use ebay to make a significant portion of their income and it seems like a lot of people have the " ebay sellers are all bad" mentality. Back on my laptop now.  After looking at the poll results, I really don't know why so many are siding with the "The neutral was warranted" option. I believe a lot (not all, just some) of the people who voted in that category haven't sold that high-value items on ebay or a significant volume. While I don't sell a lot volume wise, I've sold 13 items over the past 60 days that total over $2000 combined and I can tell you that it is an extreme hassle to decide which items get insurance and which items just get Signature Confirmation or just Delivery. It might be better off for me just letting everything have insurance but a lot of times insurance is a waste of money that could be mine, and to me every penny counts especially since I'm in middle school. ebay has some really dumb rules and guidelines and I think a reason why many people tend to side with the buyer here on CCF is because there are many posts about sellers complaining about buyers, and it is difficult to understand the seller's viewpoint unless you've been in similar shoes at one point. Enough of my overly long rant. 
Edited by wheatguy 03/22/2011 10:11 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: Oh goodness.. they emailed me persistently asking me to change the rating and feedback. I just told 'em I'm not changing it because I'm keeping the book, and it was all true. I started just ignoring the emails. They eventually gave up. Amazon fb is rare, and since az covers everything, unnecessary. As a result, negs show up like a sore thumb, and az does consider them when deciding if you can have an account. Az monitors duplicate accounts (unlike ebay), so there's a lot more at stake.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Quote: "If I receive what I paid for... I leave positive." If there are hassles or overly long shipping times, I just chalk it up to the uncountable vagaries of human personalities, the unpredictable worldwide postal systems, and the secret Universal Gremlin Squad that always seems to be looking for ways to complicate things that should be simple. I am an ebay power seller. I value my 100% positive rating because it gains me customers and ebay discounts. I also buy plenty of stuff on that site. So I can appreciate both sides. I feel the negative rating should be justly deserved, not just applied to random jerks who ask for more than they are entitled to. Just tell them 'no' and move on.
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