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 Posted 03/22/2011  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Putting myself in this situation I would have politely refused the offer for insurance for your stated reasons and let it go. I would not have given any feedback.

Feedback does have value to sellers, but it's not in the overall feedback rating, but in the DSR's. To obtain ebay discounts for selling, a seller must reach a minimum DSR threshhold. When you rate a seller a 1 or 2 in the four categories below the comments (not as described, communications, shipping time, shipping cost) it hits them in the pocketbook. If the item was offered with free shipping, no rating is available in that block.

When folks as me about leaving neg/neutral feedback these days I encourage them to "wait a day" before committing.
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 Posted 03/22/2011  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add w1a9c8k5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could have simply said no and left it at that. I'm not that kind of guy though. If I take the time to read ebay's selling policies why shouldn't anyone else? And I will call that person out. If he would have responded saying "oh my apologies I didn't know it was against ebay's policy, my bad" that would have been great and he would have gotten positive from me. He persisted to say he does this all the time. Someone early gave a very good point: Just offer 2 types of shipping, one labeled with insurance, and 1 without.
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 Posted 03/22/2011  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oblakavshtanax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i agree with fred and wheatguy, and i'll add this:

your neutral post wasn't inaccurate, but you need to realize that sellers on ebay often have a VERY thin margin of profit. if they're asking for buyer to pay insurance there's a reason. all you had to say was something like, "no thanks, but if the coin gets lost in the mail i'll expect a full refund."
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 Posted 03/22/2011  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add General Tso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I consider neutrals as red flags, especially if they are numorous. I wouldn't have left a neutral since you got the coin and it's the right coin. If you wouldn't have gotten the coin and the seller would not honor a refund because he couldn't get insurance out of you (which is against ebay rules), then thats a whole different story.

I figure the seller gambled and it paid off for him. People are characters.

Like Ron White says "you can't fix stupid"
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 Posted 03/22/2011  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with this, as a buyer if I'm looking at something I want information like that and a neutral makes sure it appears in a visible fashion.

It's not that I don't see the sellers side of it, I'm saying my feedback would be about my experience and if the transaction leaves me feeling crappy in anyway then feedback needs to reflect that.
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I've bought and sold on ebay many times. I think the neutral was warranted, but I would have probably not left it. Neutral is there for a reason. The seller violated ebay policy and buyers should be made aware of that, no matter how arbitrary, pointless or stupid a rule is, it's still a rule. I think what you said was fair and would alert buyers to that issue, but you didn't take away from the product. The second neutral though was short sited IMO. I would have just ignored the seller and left it at that.
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 Posted 03/22/2011  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I consider neutrals as red flags, especially if they are numorous.
I have to agree, a neutral is a negative in my book.

I do not understand why the neutral feedback exists since it is seen as a negative. It is like those that abstain from voting in a meeting. All that matters in the end is what percentage said "yes" or "positive" out of the total number.
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 Posted 03/22/2011  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You did the right thing at first. I would have responded with "Get over it!" back to the seller and remind him he should follow e-bay policies. Then, I'd wash my hands of the whole thing.
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 Posted 03/22/2011  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Someone early gave a very good point: Just offer 2 types of shipping, one labeled with insurance, and 1 without.


Isn't that the same thing as giving the two options? That ebay rule doesn't really help anything, it's just a way for ebay to simplify things for the buyer. (As if they haven't enough already). What moral or ethical dilemma did the seller raise by asking you a simple question? I simply would have just said either option and left it at that. It isn't worth it to raise up a big issue for every single item someone buys and making a big deal out of it. It's difficult to decide which items get insurance or not and asking the buyer simplifies that, and to me the buyers' that overreact over simple issues are the ones that frustrate me the most and eventually end up on the BBL of many sellers.


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but you need to realize that sellers on ebay often have a VERY thin margin of profit.


I completely agree and I still see no justification for the neutral. Not all sellers sell for the fun of it or as a bit of extra income, some do it to feed their family and pay for living costs, etc.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add w1a9c8k5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If my job was ebay and it was the way I fed my family when someone inquires that I may be doing something "unethical" I wouldn't respond the way this seller did. I would do my research and the respond accordingly......

If you went into a coin shop and and bought a $400 Morgan dollar and after you paid the dealer asked, "Do you want to pay $5 for the plastic airtight (or 2x2 flip) that keeps this coin safe?" I think most people here would agree thats pretty dicey. Thats how I think of this transaction
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 Posted 03/23/2011  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree the auction price and stated shipping cost should be final. If the seller tries to increase the cost in any way after that transaction is completed, that is unethical and deserves strong negative feedback regardless of whether it is "optional". The last thing I want to deal with as a buyer is some CLOWN asking me for more money than the final stated auction price.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brucec to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I hate ebay, never sold anything on it but my son has and they make rules that no uses and do not enforce their own rules.

So just forget any rules on ebay.

Also their fees are crazy guess that is why they make many, many millions in profit but now my money.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the point some of you are missing is that it is the seller's responsibilty to insure the coin..by offering insurance, he is implying otherwise.The more I think about, I agree with fenton that a negative was really what the seller deserved for playing a con game.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A con game? For offering the option of insurance or not? The point is that he offered the option. There was zero pressure involved and I sincerely doubt the seller would get such a beating here if he was a member. I've come close to offering the option before and I really don't think I'd be a con artist by doing so.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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A con game? For offering the option of insurance or not? The point is that he offered the option. There was zero pressure involved and I sincerely doubt the seller would get such a beating here if he was a member. I've come close to offering the option before and I really don't think I'd be a con artist by doing so.


It absolutely is a con game. Offering insurance is not allowed on ebay as it shouldn't be. The seller is bound by the FTC mail order rule to get the item to the buyer. Insurance is the seller's option, not the buyer. This seller knows this, that's why it's not in the listing. He hits buyer's with it afterwards to try and con them into paying for something that isn't their responsibility. I might have negged him once he got argumentative, neutral at the very least.
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