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I have thought about this some more VfM.... I am assuming that by "cheekbone", you really meant 'jawbone'? That would put it into my clash ring (no I'm not slurring my typing in reference to that thing on my finger)..... and even though I am not from Missouri, I would like to see such an abnormality.
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Even with these most excellent images that bobby is feeding us, I still don't see anything that looks like clashing to me.... (are you sure you're not mistaking PMD for clashmarks Mike)? |
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zeewool, since any evidence I would supply would be rejected, I won't bother. That being said, I tried to insert a photo and couldn't. And yes, I read the Tutorial on how to do it. That little green icon is nowhere to be found on my screen. And yes, I turned off my Pop-Up Blocker and no bueno.
If you have access to VAMview #13, it is all laid out for general consumption and consternation.
That being said, this subject is diverting this thread subject in a way. SD is trying to point out a very good lesson in die clashing, clash rotation and die wear. Personally, I do not see any clashing on the subject coin, let along letter transfer. If it is there, it is so mutilated by die wear that it is not/barely discernable to my eyes. Like I said, the coin in hand trumps photos anytime.
I thought I retired from this thread once. I will do so again.
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That little green icon is nowhere to be found on my screen. And yes, I turned off my Pop-Up Blocker and no bueno. You must click "Post a Reply," it's not available on the "quick reply". |
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zeewool, since any evidence I would supply would be rejected, I won't bother. Heh..... Evidently I have over-estimated you.... most folks will jump at the opportunity to prove me wrong and make me look foolish.... (it really isn't very hard to do).... come on, don't sulk and lurk.... slap me around a little....  Up above the quick reply box that you type those snappy responses in, you will see the following with little icons in between the words.... click on the one that says "Reply to Topic".... that will take you to another screen that provides you with that little green camera underneath the reply box, a whole bunch of smiley faces to the left of the reply box, and some other stuff above the box that will allow you to throw quotations around like nobody's business, and other neat stuff like that. New Topic New Poll New Poll Reply to Topic Topic Subscription Topic Subscription Send Topic to a Friend Printer Friendly |
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I only offer these for general consumption and consternation. This was a painfull learning process for me.   |
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I am among some clashing educated strong personalities, I will say I HAVE seen clashing above Anna's head before and while I have NOT seen it many times before, I know what I have seen, NOT PMD. I would also like to hear from the OP about having the coin in hand, I would agree with VFM, there is nothing better than the coin in hand, YES, I do see under the schmegma for colorized spots, what appears to be clashing. While I will admit the first pictures show the outlines better than the last close-up,above her head, below the BUS, I can not say the same for the clash looking clearer with the latest photos, Thanks Bobby....I am sure some would agree, to see a clash, especially on a worn die or weak strike, you would have to twist and turn the coin to get just the right position to see it. |
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This reminds me of a game of tug-of-war. Only one end of the rope ends up in the mud. Apparently we are still pulling.
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Only in this game, we ALL win.......
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When education is the game, you are correct MD. We all have the "O" word, and there are no "Os" that are incorrect in this game. That is what makes the discussion intersting. If we had the Back-To-The Future Delorean, maybe we could get to the bottom of things sometimes. I keep looking at E-Bay for a Delorean for sale. I suspect I will be looking for a long time.
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VfM, I am quite confident that if we were to meet in person, that you would not be able to loathe me to anywhere near the extent that you now do. I can see from your 'evidence photos' that you have a much bigger imagination than I do..... (but that is not a bad thing)... I think that much of our differences might stem from our views on human anatomy..... what you call a cheekbone, I call a neck.... nevertheless, I do appreciate and admire your precognitive anticipation of the evidence you've supplied to be met with my rejection. (Oh, by the way, there is only one 'l' in the word "painful")...  |
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Okay, don't blow a gasket VfM.... I am only playing..... I will try to keep an open mind and study the images that you so painfully provided..... gimme some time.
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I would agree with VFM, there is nothing better than the coin in hand Yes, I too agree on that.... I have scanned several coins at different magnifications, and I see things in the images that I cannot find on the coin when in hand..... I also would like to hear it from he who holds the coin. Quote:
Wear can have a bearing on how "strong" a clash is - in fact, I think it plays a more important role in the grand scheme of things than we give it credit for. A well-worn "n" will have a rounder appearance than a fresh one. Yes, excellent point.... and I might think that a worn device might not leave a recognizable clash mark at all.... it is the sharp field-to-device drop off that causes the clash mark.... if the drop off has been rounded over from wear, the result on both die and coin may appear larger, duller, and difficult to discern. Edited by zeewool
03/31/2011 10:47 pm
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VfM, let me be serious for a minute now..... I have taken the two images that you have provided and placed them into "My Pictures".... (if you can replicate what I am doing, I really wish that you would, so that you can understand what I am talking about and that one of us can convince the other, one way or another)....... using the forward/backward buttons, I can switch back and forth between the two and notice that the pictures are the same photo but the super-imposition is placed on one of them (you already knew this I am sure)..... I also imagine that these are not your images. Here is what I think... while the super-imposition is carefully located over the anomaly so that the bottom of the beak is located exactly where the it should be, the top of the head does not line up with the proper drop off location.... close enough that it would convince most folks, I imagine, but I remain highly skeptical until you tell me that there is more than one known example of this coin with this particular anomaly..... I will take your word for it (as gospel), but I am not buying these pictures until you say that this coin is not a singular specimen.  |
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