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If I froze a cent or a quarter with liquid nitrogen would I be able to break it in half like a potato chip?

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 Posted 04/09/2011  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add soccerdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try it and see if it does break in half. Probably wont work on a 1909 VDB. Very Durable Bronze.
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 Posted 04/09/2011  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I break my potato chips with my teeth, so my money is on more dental work and frozen fingertips.
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Haha I love this
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 Posted 04/09/2011  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can get liquid nitrogen to play with that way? Neat!
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My guess is you might be able to shatter it, but I doubt a clean break.
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 Posted 04/09/2011  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbismatic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dont think that clean break is in the question. I believe it would shatter as well...
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Liquid nitrogen won't have much effect on metals.

I have seen LN used for forming an ice plug inside a water main to turn off a water supply, to enable repairs to the pipe.

Perhaps you have seen or heard of the effect LN has on rubber articles. When they are frozen, they harden, and will shatter into small pieces with impact shock. When the pieces warm up again, they regain their rubber resilience.

Dry ice (CO2) in a tin can urinal? Now that IS funny!
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Why?
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I saw a flower and a frog break up in Liqued Oxygen with a freezing point of 50.5 K (��'368.77 °F; ��'222.65 °C)pretty cool

funnest thing with LOX is mix it with boiling water-- it explodes!
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I believe the "dipped" item has to be organic (contain carbon). Metals (other than some types of steel) are inorganic. I very well could. Be wrong its been 25 years since I've taken a chemstry course. LOL
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Quoting the "ask a scientist" web site:

"many metals can become brittle at temperatures
well above that of liquid nitrogen (-196 deg C or -321 deg F). This
tendency to be brittle (i.e., fracture under impact) is referred to as a
metal's "toughness" and this toughness is temperature sensitive"
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Zinc is already brittle at room temperature; cooling a zinc cent to liquid nitrogen temperatures will not make it appreciably more brittle.

Cooling a quarter with LN2 might make it more brittle, but I think you're more likely to see a more spectacular effect; an American quarter is clad, and the two different alloys (the cupronickel cladding and the pure copper core) have slightly different thermal expansion properties i.e. they will shrink by different amounts when cooled. Cooling a clad quarter could well result in the cladding tearing away and the coin spontaneously splitting (or splitting with very little effort) into two or three pieces.

This may even explain the origin of some of the "missing clad layer" errors seen about the place.
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Now that is a COOL trick SAP.
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Most metals remain malleable at LN temperatures. You're thinking of organic materials (carbon based) that shatter. I've done with with some insects at work, drop 'em in, let 'em freeze, pour out the critter and smack it with something and it breaks into a lot of pieces. LOL

Sap - I like your theory. I think I'll do a clad quarter and a Zincoln next week and report what happens.
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