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Roll Find - 2004-D Lincoln With Circular-Arch Die Chip

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 Posted 04/11/2011  11:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Danester to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this one in a bank wrapped roll. Kind of a Ratty 2004-D Lincoln Cent, but it has a circular-arch die chip below the "4" in the date. It looks like a "hyphenated D". Maybe it is the result of an inadvertent ding from a Mint tool? What do you think - anyone see one like this?

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 Posted 04/12/2011  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you sure it's not a gas bubble? That's what it looks like to me. Press on it with a toothpick,if it dents it's a bubble.
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I considered that it might be something under the copper plating, but after viewing it from all angles under a 30x microscope it looks to be a die chip. Gas bubbles or something under the copper plating seem to reflect light different, and just look different from devises or areas struck up buy the die.

I guess it is possible to be other than a die chip, and as you suggested gas under the plating. Let me think about probing it with something less defacing then a tooth-pick. I think I will experiment first on a known gas bubble.

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 Posted 04/12/2011  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry, I just had to chuckle. Nothing personal.
How about a Q-tip ?

"Let me think about probing it with something less defacing then a tooth-pick."




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 Posted 04/13/2011  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A die chip would happen in a stress weakened part of the die. This is not one of those areas. This is either a gas bubble or a dent in the die from a hit. Either way, there's not much interest in these more common things out there.
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The coin has got some serious corrosion issues, a toothpick is not going to hurt it any more than it has already been hurt Besides that, wood is much softer than copper plated zinc.
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OK, I fetched a toothpick - a bright red one. When I stuck it under a Microscope at 10x magnification it looked like a giant pointed baseball bat!

I found two Lincoln Cents (1982 and 1987-D), each with a nice gas bubble under the copper plating. Before the test, I'm thinking - "these coins are too old to be able to puncture or dent the gas bubbles with this toothpick. But, I was able to dent both bubbles with the toothpick.

Now, to test the 2004-D Lincoln Cent. The raised arch looked so much different than the gas bubbles (it was higher, larger and seemed to reflect more light), I thought "this test will indicate we could have a die variety". But, to my surprise I was able to flatten the whole thing with the toothpick!

I am now a supporter of the "Toothpick Test". Go try it on some gas bubbles.

Back to searching rolls.

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HI Danester!

Welcome to our family.

I really enjoyed reading and seeing your process. Your own investigation avoided defensiveness and conflict, and it't clear you learned in a very healthy way.

I can see that you're a newer member, but not new to our world.

Welcome, I look forward to your future posts.
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