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Went to the shop today. Now, you'd think that everybody and their brother would be cashing in those old jars of pre-'64 silver with prices at their current high. All of the nay sayers are touting to get out while the gettin' is good. To the contrary, people are coming in and buying fistfulls of junk silver. It's different this time for sure. In the 80's there were lines down the street with people cashing in on the high prices. This time, probably thanks to the internet, people know why prices are soaring. They understand a lot more about the Fed and the Treasury. They know that Bernanke is deliberately weakening the currency. He is reaching right into your bank account and taking 25 cents out of every dollar that you worked your a-- off to save for your future and they are not stopping along the way to thank you for it. When you invest in precious metals you are thumbing your nose at these carpetbaggers and taking your cash away from the banks that pay you no interest, yet charge you 17-30 percent on your credit card purchases. It was well known that the larger banks were shorting precious metals to scare any investors away. This time the little guy just kept buying and buying until the big guys had to cover their shorts. At this point the race was on. I'm still buying silver and gold weekly and every time I go I'm thumbing my nose at Bernanke and Obama and every other high society that is trying to get as much out of our accounts as they can. I believe that we are part of a new kind of revolution. This time instead of taking up arms we are voting with our wallets. And it's working.
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Thanks for the story. I know the owner of the local coin/antique store and he says there's still a lot of buyers.

The current silver price is $18/oz in 1980 U.S. Dollars. That explains some of it. If silver hits $100? Then I imagine a lot more sellers will be coming out of the woodwork.
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All of the nay sayers are touting to get out while the gettin' is good.

I never liked those guys. Nay saying is just too easy. It's a lot like the guys who never played the game but somehow "know" all about it. Not.

FWIW, I agree with you, Junior. Steadily buying even small amounts over time is the way to build up your own personal PM hoard.

My silver collection is small but growing slowly. My interest in PMs goaded me into investing some IRA money in the silver ETF (SIVR). So far, that is working pretty well. Also bought some shares of the copper producer Freeport-McMoran (FCX). They also produce some gold as a by-product from their copper operations. It is up nicely this week as well.

Silver is showing remarkable strength in the market these days. Percentage wise it is up WAY more than gold or the other PMs. It looks as if it has some room to run as well. If it were to go to that silver:gold ratio of 16:1 that everyone talks about and gold were at $1600/oz., we would have $100/oz. silver. It could go beyond that, though, because the world-wide demand is high and production is not keeping up with it.
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So your assumption is that silver and gold will continue to rise, and then you'll sell some for profit, and will that be for dollars? Or do you feel that the dollar will crash, or become worthless, and you will actually use your PM as currency, like buy food and gas, etc.. directly with the gold and silver? This is the part I don't really understand, if our (my!) money/savings is no good.
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 Posted 04/21/2011  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Flook to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
agreed.....also still buying silver here and there (when I can afford to)...but if prices even hit 75-80 I may have to sell a lot of it....thats a nice profit in a very short time......but odds are if silver were to fall back to the 40's or 50's id end up buying back in haha just as explained by junior I'm all for stickin it to the MAN since he is so often sticken it to us and us not being able to do anything......BOUT TIME WE STAND UP!
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When the time comes I will happily trade an ounce of silver for $100 US dollars. At that point $100 should roughly buy the same amount as $46 does now. If you are still sitting on $46 of today's money you will possibly have half of the buying power that PM invested money has in the future. Of course this is purely speculation mixed in with my faith, or lack thereof in the people controlling our currency.
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Makes sense, sort of an informed gamble. Do you take some of your disposable income to the silver dealer each week, buy a bit each time? Or, are you going to take a big hunk of your savings, or your 401(k), and take the plunge? Just curious, sounds tempting when you describe it that way...
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Yes, given what we're seeing in interest payments on savings / money markets, silver is a good price even as it approaches $50 an ounce. As was mentioned by BH, it's still $18 in 1980 dollars so I'll plug away and get some on occasion.

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I just don't see it. There really isn't a good explanation for the current price of silver.
Production is soaring. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S...n_trend.svg)

Uses in photography and the medical industry, which accounted for almost 30% of the market a few years ago, have dropped to almost zero.

So, production is up, useful applications are down. Where is the demand coming from?
I say it is global fear of the current and continuing recession. As soon as consumers have confidence in the market, the silver bubble will burst.
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Great thread, and good to know the the more educated public is still buying silver this time around....
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As soon as consumers have confidence in the market, the silver bubble will burst.


That is a big "as soon as." A number of things need to line up for that to happen, and it won't be overnight. There is still worthless paper to be made investing in PMs. My 4 cents (inflation, thoughts cost more).
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I was at coin shop today, a guy walked out with 10,000 cash from selling silver. There was a guy right behind him that wanted to buy $1000 in Silver. Neither of them seemed to know much about the Silver market. The guy selling was cashing in his parents hoard and the guy buying wanted to get in on the action.
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@junior_e: At what point does silver stop being the poor man's metal? What should an ounce actually cost, in other words? It all depends on the person, like you say you'd be happy with $100. For others it may be lower.

So junior_e, what are your thoughts on gold? For gold and silver are tied to the Federal Reserve, yet gold is at a high and still poking higher. Which one is in a bubble? Or are they both, or none? I think the solution is we have to stop thinking in terms of dollars and think in terms of ounces and tons of real things.
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Good point! We all need to remember that PM's will protect purchasing power,not make you a profit perse. Although you will make more dollars when you sell gold or silver(assuming the prices continue to rise)those dollars are worth less than when you bought the metal so the purchasing power is approximately equal,at least in theory. Now,if the markets truly have been suppressed then that is a different story. However,many folks think investing in gold and silver will make them "wealtheir",but it really only preserves the wealth you have.Too many Americans are looking for get rich quick schemes and PM's will not fit that bill! They will,however,protect you from a government bent on paying off their horrendous debt in near worthless dollars. In other words,PM's are the tool that will allow us to weather the storm by not allowing the governmental theft of inflation by dollar degradation to affect our "wealth" because we are placing our wealth in something that they can't control unless they recognize it as currency. God bless you all,and let's keep this whole thing in perspective.When the time to exit comes don't be so committed to shineys that you can't do what is necessary. Let's hope,for the sake of our Nation,that a day comes soon that we will all gladly sell our PM's for good ,strong,viable US greenbacks.
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junior e
Very Well Put in your original post

I feel that silver is not in a bubble. The reasons behind that
feeling are as numerous as one can imagine.
Silver has been artificially manipulated down for decades
that is no longer just a theory it is a matter of fact.
(Proof of JP Morgan price suppression scheme coming to light
in March of 2010).
China becoming one of the largest importers of silver and gold
on the planet after decades of being a major exporter of gold.
And actually pushing their population to purchase gold and silver
This being a communist country where usual communist goals
are to keep the people from building ANY kind of wealth.
Today we have the ability to very easily communicate with each other
about these topics with people from around the planet.
and research all of them on our own. Whereas back in the 70's and 80's information only came from the nightly news and magazines
and hanging out at the local coin shop.
There has been a fundamental shift in the way and the shear amount
of information available to people and the speed in which
subjects are communicated. The do not have a monopoly
on information to shape opinions anymore.
Example: Tunisia,Egypt,Libya. Heck the whole Middle East
There are a number of States here that have voted in the use of
gold and silver as money again.
Yes silver production may be up but I do not think they have ramped
up to the point of re-supplying the planet yet.
every one of those little gadgets we carry around and can not
live with out (Cell Phones, I-pads, and the like) have a small amount
of silver in them that at current prices makes it un-recoverable
and it ends up in land fills and is gone. There is a story going
around that there is up to 500 ounces of silver in every
Tomohawk Missile, Not sure how true it is as to the amount
But even if is 1/10th of that amount it would mean that
there is 50 ounces of silver being blown to bits and unrecoverable
every time we let one of those off the chain.
And when we turn loose Tomohawks we tend to let them loose
in large numbers. And with just the toys we carry and the Tomohawks
we turn loose that is an awful lot of silver being being taken out
of the market to never return. On top of that with what I feel
is a fundamental shift back to gold and silver as money slowly
happening. As evidenced with China's actions along with
some of the States actions here in the U.S.
Not hear say or opinion but actual events taking place
I feel I should put this statement in my signature line
"I don't think silver is in a bubble,
I think it is just racing to find it's historical value
of 16 to 1 ratio with gold"

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As far as my feelings on gold goes: in the past three years I have accumulated gold in the form of Indian Half and Quarter Eagles. I am purchasing these coins for several reasons. The main reason that I am purchasing these particular coins is that I love everything about them. I love the way that they look and I love the unique incuse design. I love the fact that Teddy Roosevelt made it happen, and he is in my opinion one of the most interesting characters to ever hold The Office. I love the fact that many of these coins survived the great gold melt of FDR. I will not regret buying them even if the price of gold does drop. I began buying and actually bought most of them when gold was at $770 per ounce, which helps a lot with dollar cost averaging my current purchases. I have also purchased a few one ounce bullion coins recently, and they are both one ounce Buffaloes, again because I am in love with the design. I still have every Buffalo nickel that I got in change when I was a little kid. These coins are so beautiful that I will have no regrets if gold does go lower. My personal belief is that gold will not go much lower for all of the reasons that I listed in my original post. It is not that the price of gold is going up. It is simply that the dollar is worth much less. This is the same reason that oil prices are soaring in a reversal of the dollar sinking like a stone. I am not looking to make any money. I'm simply trying to preserve the value of the money that I've been saving for many years.
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04/22/2011 6:03 pm
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