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Don't Melt Your Coins, Dang It!

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 Posted 04/26/2011  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you don't want to see coins melted, go to any coin dealer and offer to pay the same price as the refinery for any amount, when he wants to sell.

If you're not willing to pay the market price of scrap metal, you have no right to complain about someone who is willing. It's like telling a junkyard not to scrap a car, but not being willing to pay the $500 or so the smelter pays.
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 Posted 04/26/2011  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mitchhailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As much as I hate to see old coins melted, both of the last two posters have good points.
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 Posted 04/26/2011  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yeah I don't like the melting either, as it would erk me to work at the refinery, and have the job of melting the nice old rare coin sets possibly.... - Silverhawk

On the other hand, that might present a marvelous opportunity to pick through them and buy any that have above average value.
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 Posted 04/26/2011  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As to the question of melting or not melting... I can go either way on it. Anything that is for sale is for sale and is not conditionally for sale. Once sold, the new owner can do what they want with it.

As to numismatic value... the disappearance of some of the old coins, while sad to collectors, only makes the survivors more valuable.
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 Posted 04/26/2011  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Geardaddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So how does that work with melting? Do people sell to certain "melting companies"? (Sorry for my ignorance, but I don't even know how one would go about selling a coin for melting purposes!)
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 Posted 04/26/2011  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never actually saw a coin melted. I think a lot of coins stay around as bulk bags of bullion in face value amounts and never get melted. I suppose some do get melted. It is interesting. I wonder what effect this has on surviving common date XF mercury and Roosevelt dimes, Washington quarters, Walkers Franklin's and Kennedy halves. Jeeze, someday you would think that the 1960's Franklin's could be as scarce as pre 1940 Walking Liberty halves. Common could become semi key dates if they really did melt all the coins that were sold with a refining fee attached.
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 Posted 04/26/2011  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, if this so called silver shortage continues, I imagine the industrys which needs the silver will have to attempt to keep shaking it loose from the public (us), and continue melting it down. Which in turn should continue to make certain coins more rare than before. So that is the one good factor of it IMO....



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 Posted 04/26/2011  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hermanwilliams to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The melters aint gettin' mine.
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 Posted 04/27/2011  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Such an end-user isn't going to know or care where their raw silver came from, just so long as they got as much as they needed.

I haven't seen much of it lately, but on the first boom we'd get silverware that instead of being sterling (925) was marked "coin silver" (900, occasionally 800).

The story goes that Washington supplied silverware to make the first US coins (pretty sure the story's been debunked), but it's definite that the process moved in the other direction.
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 Posted 04/27/2011  04:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I never actually saw a coin melted. I think a lot of coins stay around as bulk bags of bullion in face value amounts and never get melted.

I have heard many stories from some silver dealers and the smelters where they used to dump $1000.00 bags full of BU Morgans in the fire (so to speak) one right after another. And I am not talking about20-30 bags full I am talking about thousands of bags full of them, so they are definitely melted down. All of them may not be but I am willing to bet when silver hits highs like it has not more than you would ever think have been shipped to the smelters than the dealers just have hanging around their shop collecting dust. I have talked to a few dealers that had a shop in the early 80's and that was their whole business model, they would buy and sell bags full of silver coins, that was it. And they made quite a big hunk of money doing it also
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 Posted 04/27/2011  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Common silver proof sets were sold in the millions. If 99% of them got melted, that still leaves 30-40,000 for date collectors of proof sets, which I guarantee there are nowhere near that many of.

Is 30,000 rarer than 3 million? Absolutely. Does it make a difference? Not a whit.
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I have heard many stories from some silver dealers and the smelters where they used to dump $1000.00 bags full of BU Morgans in the fire (so to speak) one right after another. And I am not talking about20-30 bags full I am talking about thousands of bags full of them, so they are definitely melted down


The gubmint melted hundreds of millions of Morgans early last century. They still were available BU by the tens of millions 50 years later, at face.

If dealers dumped a thousand bags into the smelter, that's still only one million.

One dealer had a fleet of armored Ford vans that did nothing but take silver coins from IN to NY, much of it bound to Comex. One of the half-dozen Comex approved brokers bought and sold 1000 bags in one day.

A friend of mine melted 6000 Columbian Expo halves in 1980. Has anyone noticed any particular scarcity of them?
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I am willing to bet when silver hits highs like it has not more than you would ever think have been shipped to the smelters than the dealers just have hanging around their shop collecting dust.

You're overlooking one major point.

Why are those coins gathering dust?

Because collectors were not willing to pay even a small fraction of what they are now worth as scrap.

We've seen it on this forum. "I got a great deal on some Barber halves on a bid board, only $12 each!"

Five years ago, that same collector would not have paid $8 each for the same coins. They haven't gotten significantly scarcer, and there aren't significantly more Barber half collectors, so why are they a bargain at 50% higher than the price they were turned down at five years ago?

Solely because they have a $16+ scrap value.

And when silver prices fall again, they will gather dust at $8 again.

That's not a guess, it's a fact. Anyone trying to convince themselves otherwise is only kidding themselves.
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 Posted 04/27/2011  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well, if this so called silver shortage continues - Silverhawk

What we are likely seeing is a shortage of the easily obtained silver on Earth. We need to consider that 3/4 of the Earth is covered by water and likely contains 3x as much silver as the dry land portion. It's just not as easy to get at as the land-based silver deposits. Also, silver is a dense material, so it is likely to be found in increasing concentration with depth in the Earth. 100 miles down in the Earth is likely to be MUCH richer in the silver, gold, and platinum type metals than the surface of the Earth. All we need is the incentive to develop the technology for getting it.
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 Posted 06/16/2011  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't like the melting either, as it would erk me to work at the refinery, and have the job of melting the nice old rare coin sets possibly....


A couple months in a refinery would quickly teach people just how common some rare coins are.

Just like prices crashed on ebay once people realized just how common their "rare" collectables are.
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