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this question is partly hypothetical. the coin is real, the grade is just and example. I have a 1955D, photo can be added - but it is probably not really necessary. it is fully struck, full mint luster, no circulation wear.
hypothetically a very high grade coin. for the sake of argument let me call it a MS70.
however there are two die cracks, in the forehead area. (not at all uncommon for the era).
if a "70" is supposed to be a "perfect" coin, do the die cracks lower its grade, or can it actually still be a MS70. Edited by dbrablec
05/07/2011 3:14 pm
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IMO opinion, it would lower the grade if it's an MS coin and they detract from the coin's appeal. A lower grade coin may not be affected by such die cracks.
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how noticeable are the die cracks?
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A TPG might give a MS70 "Details" designation. |
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Die cracks are irrelevant to the technical or condition grade of the coin but they're relevant to the market or eye appeal grade. That's your guiding principle. For the former, learn how to technical or condition grade. For the latter, determine how appealing or unappealing the coin is, to your own eyes. That's all there is to it.
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There is no such thing as a "MS70 details designation". Details grading is given to coins that have been cleaned or polished or otherwise damaged or altered to describe the amount of detail on the coin with a lower grade given to account for the problems. No numeric grade is given to the details.
An uncirculated coin that has been dipped would get "Unc details, net AU" or something like that...no numeric grade.
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Agree with eddiespin. And I believe coppercoins may be talking about a particular TPG because I have several "Details" coins that are numerically graded from ANACS. |
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Let's say "particular TPGs" and the ANA grading guide. Seems ANACS is the only one that sticks numeric grades on details coins. |
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For Problem Coins: PCGS gives "Genuine" only holders, no grade. NGC gives a 0 numerical grade but will give a "Details grade from AG to UNC. NCS (a part of NGC) gives "Genuine", non-numerical grades from AG to UNC. ICG also gives numerical grades, and the company IS well respected in (some) circles, more so than ANACS-http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot....021&lot=2412http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot....029&lot=2057ANACS is the only company to give a "Details" grade AND a "Net" grade. The concept is murky at best and is far more subjective than grading alone. But to answer the OP's question- defects from the die itself shouldn't affect the coin's grade (look at the many high grade 19th century type coins- most have die cracks, clashes, longacre doubling, or some other imperfections which were very common in the time they were produced). On a modern coin? Shouldn't make a difference either- your die cracks are probably no more severe than the die chip in the date of this 54-S cent. http://www.teletrade.com/coins/lot....imagetype=j2
Would you get such a coin into an MS70 holder? NO- but there are no MS70s for the date at all. Nor are there any MS68s, so I think it's more of an esoteric question, but an interesting one, thanks!
As a final note- PLANCHET IMPERFECTIONS Can indeed get an otherwise problem free coin into a details holder- EVEN when the submitter pays the extra error attribution fee to have the error attributed on the holder! PCGS gave this struck through a "Genuine" Holder (Because of the struck through that motivated me to slab it!) PCGS Genuine code .93 denotes a struck thru- invalidating the error type as gradeable. (This is like giving a '55 DDO a Genuine holder because the lettering is doubled!) Edited by liveandievarieties
05/17/2011 07:50 am
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ANACS is the only company to give a "Details" grade AND a "Net" grade. ANACS no longer gives a Net grade. Under technical grading, yes a coin with die cracks could grade 70 since it was EXACTLY how it came from the dies. With todays market grading system it can not grade 70 because most people would see the cracks as being less then "perfect". This would result in a lower market grade or actually a NET market grade although they will deny that it is a net grade. |
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