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I have researched to all ends and cannot find another medal like this or any information about it. The character is Punch of Punch & Judy puppet show and used by Punch Magazine. Punch was a British weekly magazine of humour. and satire. published from 1841 to 1992 and from 1996 to 2002. Punch Magazine has a very long and rich history and the Punch & Judy shows are still going strong today world wide. Punch the character - Punch was first recorded in England in 1662 by Samuel Pepys when he saw him as a marionette, operated in Covent Garden by the Italian puppet showman Signor Bologna. He was always an anarchist, flouting authority, and became one of the nation's best-loved bad-tempered brutes, with a big nose, hump back and corpulent stomach. The medal has the basic same design as the sixth wrapper (cover) first design by Richard Doyle in 1844. The other side has a young crowned Queen Victoria. It is pewter, weighs 6.2 grams and is 26.89mm. Under the bust of Queen Victoria are the initials A & M, which I believe would be the maker of this medal. I have found an e-book online about the history of Punch which I will add a link to at the end of the pictures. On page 414 in reference to artist H G Hine it says that "At Landells (co-founder of Punch) request he produced a project for a Punch Medal / Seal. It shows a drawing of a seal by H G Hine but this seal was never made. How ever I have this medal which came from Liverpool, England, and from what I have been able to find I believe this may have been made in 1844. Any information, opinions, leads etc are appreciated. Thanks in advance.....        This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever. You may copy it, give it away or re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included with this eBook or online at https://www.gutenberg.org THE HISTORY OF "PUNCH" BY M. H. SPIELMANN With Numerous Illustrations CASSELL AND COMPANY, LIMITED LONDON, PARIS, & MELBOURNE 1895 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2388.../23881-h.htm |
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So you're the one who won this  Haha, I came across this same thing last month but could't get a bid in on time. It went pretty cheap if you ask me. I don't know anything about it tho... just thought it was cool. Congrats!  |
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Yep that was me.....I didn't know anything about this to start with either....And I also thought it just looked cool... When I started to research I was (Shocked is a good word)...  to find out it has to do with Punch Magazine.. Now the fun starts to try and find the history behind Punch's Medal.. Edited by D
05/07/2011 11:16 pm
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Wow, I can't find ANYTHING about this as well.... maybe it truly is unique. Makes me want it even more  |
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I could be worth it to shoot an e-mail with this info over to the folks at the Punch & Judy Fellowship or the Punch & Judy College of Professors. Maybe they can provide some insight...
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Thanks Bluntedbobylon your advise is appreciated ....I have already sent out several emails to different Punch & Judy clubs & associations, also the British Antique Roadshow (the antique road show replied that they only do inquiries on their show). My friend alganbagerap at his leisure is going to check the British Library for any info...Thanks Bob.. The word FUN is on the medal and looks like they certainly had fun making this. There are several animal faces on the medal when under just the right light and angle conditions they show up. I believe this is the way they used shading to get this effect. Yet when looking through the microscope at these areas the faces are not visible. The circled areas in this picture shows one lion and 2 rabbits.  |
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D, you have got to quick picking up these strange no-one knows what they are type of coins/medals....like the one in your avatar, the three little drummers. You ever figure out where that one came from? Oh, wait, I'm sorry pot...kettle here...got a little carried away. I really shouldn't point fingers until I figure out the origins of my 1810 Gopez Mexican Hacienda token...oops! Edited by harrison2
05/08/2011 2:23 pm
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 ....harrison2, you are so right...So far I have not been able to find or figure out what the 3 little drummers are....Still have it and with a lot of luck maybe some day I will... This must be a disease or some thing along those lines as I, much like your self with your 1810 hacienda token like the challenge to discover the history of the unknown. If and when it happens then the hunt is on for the next one.. |
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Yeah...I really like that! I've always found Punch a bit creepy...just me? Awesome find nothing wrong with needing to do a little investagative history...keeps it interesting!
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D, I still remember one of my first mystery coins...hardly a date and nothing like I had seen before, that has been one of my all-time best buys. The thrill of the chase is what keeps me going. Someday I'm sure I'll nail down the origins of the token...then, like you, I'll go out and fine another lost-cause. ;)
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amida, I found Punch creepy as well! You are not alone.
That medal is wicked cool, though. Let us know what you find out.
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Hi Bluntedbobylon....Yes there are a few updates..
1 - I was told by a Punch & Judy historian that I have made a great find.
2 - A friend of mine in Ontario is sending me information on the intials A & M suggesting the maker is Allen & Moore of Birmingham who were medalists, button makers, die makers, engravers and they were in business from 1840 - 1854.
3 - I was asked by a person in England if he could take some pictures that I sent him to Spinks for their opinion and knowledge. (I googled the name and found out they are a large auction company)
4 - I was sent information by a friend about an auction that sold a medal made by Allen & Moore that had on one side a cartoon taken from Punch Magazine in 1854. This suggests that there is a connection.
5 - Reading the book "The History Of Punch" it states that artist H G Hines was asked to make a Punch medal and or seal. He did a drawing of the seal but the seal was never made.
6 - Just my thoughts on #5...I think it is possible that in early 1844 after the 6th cover 1st design was drawn by Richard Doyle, this cover design was taken to Allen & Moore to make the Punch Medal. For what ever reason the proto type medal made was never approved and probably not paid for by Punch Magazine. Not being paid for their services Allen & Moore set the medal aside and it was forgotten. (Again this is just a thought)
7 - Another thought and the last of the updates so far...The positive here for me is the fact that all the people I have spoke with and sent pictures to including Punch & Judy Clubs, historians etc..Have never seen or heard of this medal. It is the lack of information that suggests and encourages me that this may be one of a kind.
All and all it is a Fun medal and no matter what the final out come is..it would be nice to find the true history.
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05/19/2011 4:02 pm
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I found this Queen Victoria 1840 marriage medal by A & M...Scary close to the Queen Victoria image on Punch's Medal....  |
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