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Alright I Also Have This 2001-P Dime Diecap?

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 Posted 05/08/2011  10:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add a-zgoldbuyers to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Alright so I bought this from a customer. It looks like it could be a diecap? Its edges are curled on both sides though. the one edge is copper and the other silver in color. as it should be but looks really cool. Could someone shed some light on this for me? Thank you.

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 Posted 05/08/2011  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spoon job maybe? People tap the edges with a heavy spoon to flatten them then cut out the center and make a ring. IMO
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 Posted 05/08/2011  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually we see this alot on this forum. It is damage from being stuck in a fin of a commercial dryer for a long time tumbling around. The tumbling damages the edge of the coin.
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There is no evidence of any tapping on the edges. It is solid all the way around smooth. The only thing on the sides is a seam where the die meets the planchet. I would submit a photo but I cant seem to get that close up in detail.
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Well you can see the edge on the photo I already submitted. No tapping. It looks like a somewhat uniform die cap.
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 Posted 05/08/2011  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty certain it is post mint damage. Could have been done in a lot of ways. If it were some type of brockage the details would be mushy.
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Thanks for the input, but not a Dryer Coin. I am familiar with those and this is not that. the edge is curled up on both sides and is missing no metal. perfect strike on both sides...except for the edges. This was clearly minted this way. Like I said there is a seam where the die meets the planchet and it is smooth otherwise on the edges. all of the rest of the coin is very normal. I am also familiar with the tap jobs I have a couple of them myself. This is far from that.
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Later on I will try and get some better photos of both sides and a close up of the rim. I think you may find this coin more interesting than it appears. Believe me guys I don't know it all but I have already had those possibilities ruled out. I have been told it is a die cap by a dealer, but he was in the low ball buying mode, and I don't want to sell it so he was done helping me with information at that point. Which is sort of a disappointment. but that's life. I appreciate your guys help and will post some photos soon. (-:
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Dryer coins:
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As others have said, it is an altered/damaged coin. If you have access to a micrometer, measure the diameter- I guarantee it will be smaller than a normal dime which is a sure sign it is not an error.
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It couldn't be minted this way. Just look at LIBERTY, which is partially covered by the rim.
Therefore, the coin was first struck normally, and the rim damage happened later. You see the same on Coop's pics of Dryer Coins.
BTW, that capped IHC is amazing!
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Well I do have a micrometer and it is just a hair larger than the regular dime. Not by much. I am an ametuer at this but I really think that you guys jump to a lot of conclusions and make a lot of guarantees with out really taking into consideration what I have said. I mean if a well established coin dealer wants to give me $10 for it I'd say that that has a little merit. I don't believe I would take his offer because I like it too much. I do know the difference between Dryer Coins and tap jobs. And I do know a die cap when I see one. This to me is just an unbelievable and uniform diecap. Hope you have a blessed day! I will post new photos when it comes back from NGC.
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Could someone shed some light on this for me?


I think maybe what you meant to say was....


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Seriously, die caps don't look like that at all, Dryer Coins and spoon jobs do. We've seen dozens upon dozens upon dozens of them here. Also, if your dealer thinks this is a die cap, it's time to find a new dealer.
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Neutral here for now. Only problem I have as far as PMD
is that he states the outside diameter is actually slightly
larger then normal. Also would like to know if there is any evidence at all of any reeding left on the coin. Even if only slight or in one area.
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this is not a die cap as others have said.

you need to read what we are saying, there is no way this can be a die cap

coop is an expert in numismatics and everyone else that has responded knows a heck of a lot.

all of us(myself included) have seen this exact same kind of thing at least 10 times, so we all know as soon as we look at it that its a Dryer Coin.
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A relative of mine owned several laundromats for over 30 years and made his living this way. He did all his own maintenance on the machines. He had a large box of what he called dryer-rolled coins. Sometimes the details on the coin are damaged, sometimes they are not. My relative at times, would find the coins wedged in between the outer and inner drums - hence they were being uniformly rolled - hence his name of "dryer-rolled."

I was very used to them. And he gave them all to me in later years. I now have them - but no idea where! I remember one of the most extreme examples was a quarter that was rolled down to the diameter of a nickel or less in size. Of course it is very thick b/c of the rolled edge. One day when I find them I will post some pics of them.

Having said all of this, the first response I had to the posted pictures was that it was a dryer damaged coin. That's all I can make from the pics.


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