Help Identify Mint Error 1886 O Morgan Dollar

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xlogit3k New Member United States 1 Posts	Posted 05/22/2011 5:45 pm Just took a look at one of my friends Morgan dollars, its an 1886 O dollar and it has a weird offset when you look at the face on the front, and the eagle on the back. Here is some pictures for reference and any help would be appreciated. Report this Post to the Staff

SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 05/22/2011 6:20 pm Welcome to Coin Community. I took the liberty of correcting your image links; you'd neglected the "[" in each /IMG tag. If I'm reading this right, you have a rotated-die coin. Normally, the obverse-reverse relationship is such that the one is upside-down when the other is right-side up; yours had a die which rotated in the press so that the relationship is no longer vertical. Quite an interesting difference, but not extremely rare or adding much value. Report this Post to the Staff
Sidekick-CA Pillar of the Community United States 509 Posts	Posted 05/22/2011 8:34 pm Quote: not extremely rare or adding much value Bit confused SD. I read somewhere (think CCF) that any die rotation up to 15 degrees could/would be considered normal? After that, they tend to draw a premium. I realize these examples are not the exact coin in question (1886-O) but just checking some recent hammer prices on rotated dies - ebay 1878-CC PCGS VF35 with a 135 degree die rotation was $365. Same Morgan, same year/grade/mm but with no die rotation (ANACS) was $100 on May 14th. Another Morgan same year/grade/mm no die rotation (NGC) was $119 on May 8th. Looking at Heritage, their latest auction (no die rotation) closed at just $89 for the same coin slabbed by NGC. Shux, I don't know. Just trying to learn this stuff. Personally, I would be willing to pay a premium for a rotated die. I've several in my collection but none over 15 degrees. Way cool if I could find one though. Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 05/22/2011 8:39 pm I may have the orientation wrong; I'm seeing it as about 30 degrees rotation. Report this Post to the Staff
vermontensium Moderator United States 16677 Posts	Posted 05/22/2011 8:52 pm Here is mine that PCGS called 100 degrees, I think CW if I remember. swcoin.ecrater.com Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 05/23/2011 5:42 pm I was starting to say I don't see how they can call that 100 degrees rotated but after looking and thinking 180 degrees would put it the same orientation as the Obverse I can see it now. I have a bunch with 360 degree rotation The one pictured above is nowhere near as rotated as yours is though so I think 30 degrees is probably close Report this Post to the Staff
Adam_E Pillar of the Community United States 4846 Posts	Posted 05/23/2011 5:45 pm nice coin but too bad its polished D: it might be worth a little more than face but I cant see it going that high due to the cleaning Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 05/23/2011 5:55 pm Quote: it might be worth a little more than face but I cant see it going that high due to the cleaning well I have to disagree with that, it is definitely worth more than face since its 90% silver and the face value is only $1.00 but not sure over spot how much it would be worth (I am guessing that is what you meant) Report this Post to the Staff
Adam_E Pillar of the Community United States 4846 Posts	Posted 05/23/2011 6:01 pm doh! yeah thats what I meant. my bad! Report this Post to the Staff
Las_Vegas_Larry Pillar of the Community United States 817 Posts	Posted 05/25/2011 5:58 pm The orientation may be off on xlogit's coin. I think the coin is turned over from side to side. If that is true the coin would have a counter-clockwise die rotation of about 35 degrees. If the coin is turned end for end with the obverse upside down the die rotation would aprox. 155 degrees clockwise. On vermontensium's coin you can't tell if the obverse is vertical in the slab. If the coin is vertical the reverse has an aprox. clockwise die rotation of 100 degrees. To measure the 100 degrees the top of the obverse should be upside down at 180 degrees. I hope this helps. I hope this was part of the question. If I'm wrong some one please let me know. Report this Post to the Staff
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