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On CNBC this morning one of the conversations was about the weak hands and short term speculators are coming back into silver already. They said that it was likely to climb right back to $50 and sell off again. If you missed the first shot to sell another one may be just around the corner.
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One could make an argument for it going past 50 and on up next time. Probably the reason it didn't go higher before was the raising of margin requirements 4 times in a short period (IIRC it was 2 weeks). That was very unusual intervention in the market.
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Probably the reason it didn't go higher before was the raising of margin requirements 4 times in a short period (IIRC it was 2 weeks). That was very unusual intervention in the market. - GoThunder

Yes, that was unusual, both for the amount of the increase in margin requirements and the number of increases in so short a time. One can only wonder what their motivation was for doing that at that particular time. Of course, there is nothing to stop them from doing something similar to this again, is there?
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I could be way off in right field lookin for a fly ball in the sun, but....

"Raising the margin requirements".... Would that be something like putting a cap on how much you can trade at one time, or a bare minimum for how much you can trade, in affect controlling the price of silver? I think that is the mind frame of the bigger investors, with the motive to keep it UNDER 50 an oz.. The so called silver suppressors....

Perhaps something similar to that cap they put on the Hunt Brothers Fredd speaks of, via only being allowed to sell each individual a limited amount of silver, so as the old example he gave months back.... You planned to sell one guy 100 computers, but suddenly you could only sell him five out of the hundred, so you had to find a way to move the other ninety five, even if that meant dropping the prices to a ridiculous amount to attempt to perhaps recover something....

Of course I always say this is a new time and different day, but no doubt that 50 Mendoza line is a "Mental barrier", for the millions involved, and I think once it breaks free and closes in on 51, it may be on its way....
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I am selling most of my silver when it hits $50. I got lucky and sold about $200 in FV when it was at $46 per once, now I am sitting on quite a bit again with an average cost of $35 per once. I am really liking gold though I fear these premiums are going to kill me.
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"Raising the margin requirements".... Would that be something like putting a cap on how much you can trade at one time, or a bare minimum for how much you can trade, in affect controlling the price of silver? I think that is the mind frame of the bigger investors, with the motive to keep it UNDER 50 an oz.. The so called silver suppressors....


It is basically putting a cap on speculation by limiting the amount traders can borrow to trade. Trading on margin means you are borrowing money to invest.
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One thing I didn't understand about raising the requirements, was how fast they came. I would think they should have waited a bit longer after each one at least to see the effect of each raise. Cause the last one they announced for silver, they ended up not implementing, as the prices had already come down and speculators were out already.

As far as the future goes, I think we'll be going back to 50 soon.
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I went to my coin shop the other day and their ASE price was $50. Last time silver was at $42 on the way up their price was $47 per ASE. I can somewhat understand as he is a small dealer and he buys them by the roll. Roll prices are still above $850 so I guess he is carrying them as a courtesy because he isn't making that much even at $50.

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I hope so, I bought a few in the 40$ an oz range.
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I am really liking gold though I fear these premiums are going to kill me.

I know the feeling. When I look at gold coins on-line, the 1-oz. coins are real expensive but the smaller ones offer a lower price per coin but a MUCH higher cost per ounce. Arrggghhh! Death by premium!
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"Raising the margin requirements".... Would that be something like putting a cap on how much you can trade at one time, or a bare minimum for how much you can trade, in affect controlling the price of silver? - Silverhawk

As I understand it, the margin requirements are the amount of money that a trader has to put up front to control X amount of silver via a futures contract. I don't know the numbers but BiggFredd probably does. Anyway, here is a crude example: You are a trader and you want to invest $1,000,000 in silver futures. This allows you to buy 20 contracts for $50,000 each. The brokerage puts up most of the money via a loan to the trader but the trader also has to put up some cash, which is the margin requirement. This cash is a percentage of the cost of the contract. By raising this margin percentage, COMEX or whoever the market maker is, forces traders to either put up more cash per contract or buy less contracts. This change was pretty significant too. I don't recall the exact numbers but it was something like triple the original amount by the time that they were done. An investment that once cost the broker, say $6,000 per contract, went to $18,000 per contract. This makes it much more difficult for traders to buy as much as they want and also to make money on their trades because they are buying and selling frequently to squeeze a few tenths of a percent out of these contracts. Suddenly, it just was not possible to make very much money by trading the way that they had been, so most of the traders sold off their positions and silver prices dropped.

Personally, I think that moves like this tend to strengthen the silver market, although there is some short-term pain created by price declines. I would rather see a more steady and slow rise in silver prices than for them to be erratic and volatile all the time. On the other hand, an erratic market can provide some very nice buying opportunities.

Selling is a whole 'nother deal, though. When selling into an erratic market, we almost HAVE to do it electronically and not physically unless we have physical bullion in storage somewhere that can be used to make the trades. The speed of price changes can be a real killer when a market is bouncing up and down erratically.

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The market leaders are controlling the margin requirements to keep silver artificially low. They are doing this in conjuction with the big banks (think JP Morgan Chase) and the Fed (to help the dollar).

They will mess with the marginal rates again, gauranteed. However, what good will it do in the long run? None. The dollar will eventually rot, mired in its own feces.

How can you value silver against crap?

And I don't understand the 50 dollar mental barrier. Adjust for inflation and we are nowhere near its all time high. I think this is a major problem in the markets (the lack of knowledge). When it is corrected then we will see silver jump to its true worth against these poopy fiat currencies.
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They will mess with the marginal rates again, gauranteed. However, what good will it do in the long run? None.

I agree, Mitch. Thing is, though, that many of the people in government and in the markets are not long-term thinkers. They are the types who will send the world down in flames IF there is a short-term benefit to doing so. We see this from the politicians and their idiotic ideas and complete lack of spending control all the time. Other groups are just as guilty of this kind of behavior. Anyone who has grand children tends to consider their welfare as being important, often before their own. We need more grand parents in government and in the markets.
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