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 Posted 06/03/2011  06:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ron2012Paul to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Im just starting out in the Gold, silver, and coin collecting. I need some advice on the basics. Right now silver is kind of the direction I'm going cause its more in my bankroll at the moment. I'm sure everyone can remember when they started out. Tips about what to look for with prices, when the best time to buy, when to sell, and etc. What are some great starter coins or bullion. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I dont wanna go into collecting/investing blind. I've done a little research but its nothing like hearing advice from people who have experience on the subject and have been doing this for awhile.
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 Posted 06/03/2011  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ron2012Paul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I meant budget not bankroll....too much poker :p
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 Posted 06/03/2011  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have made the right start in finding out every one's opinions.

For short term (3to 5 years) bullion could be the way to go. For me, coins are a lifetime investment. That being the case, financial return is not the main motivator, a lifetime abiding interest in numismatics is, and so for me interest of the psychological kind must be part of the overall return.

That means I gain in two major ways.

From a purely financial point of view, over 4 decades of spending money on coins, the ones that bring the best return for me, and the ones most chosen for self managed retirement portfolios are rare coins. However, like shares, as others have reported on this forum, values can go up, or down. That volatility does not bother a superannuation fund self manager too much, because he is a lifelong investor.

A dealer once told me: "Rare coins get rarer, common coins stay common". Be as it may, that he was trying to sell me a big ticket item, he was still right with hindsight.

Just look at some of the prices numismatic items were 40 years ago, compared to now! If you are going short term, rare coins may not be for you.

NCLT's have proven a comparatively poor investment, but banknotes over the last 20 years have generally out performed coins for financial return, if auction results are anything to go by.
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 Posted 06/03/2011  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ron2012Paul

I think you are smart to be considering acquiring silver and or gold. Given the current debt crisis and the unwillingness of Washington to do anything about it I believe the debasement of our currency will continue for a long time.

I primarily purchase silver as well mainly due to the fact that I can afford it. I have been doing this since silver was around $17.00 an ounce or so.

Silver is volatile as evidenced by its recent run up to $50 and then back down to $32. So you either need to buy back on pullbacks or do like I do and basically buy on a set schedule thereby dollar cost averaging your purchases. At this point I don't worry about the price per ounce when it comes time to purchase. I am acquiring for the long term.

Right now the silver price per ounce is around $35.50.That represents about a 30% discount off of the high it had a month or so ago. In my opinion now is a good time purchase as I am of the opinion that silver will get back to $50 and go higher.

I basically purchase pre 1965 US coins with my preference being the half dollars. But it really doesn't matter. I just try to get as close to the current melt value at the time I am purchasing. I also like ASE's and dont mind paying a premium for them.

The bulk of my silver purchases are from members here on CCF

Hope this helps.

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 Posted 06/03/2011  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For silver I'd go with those ASEs your local store was selling for $40. Hard to beat that, I think that guy likes you. Or I also like the 90% US silver coins.

Gold would probably be a little more stable in price, if you can afford it. I like gold eagles there because they are easily recognized and not as easily scratched as the 24 ct coins. Also because they are larger they still have the full troy weight stated in .999 gold, it is just mixed in with silver and copper to make the coin more durable.

I don't like proof coins myself, too easy to mess them up and too easy to see finger prints, scratches and other problems. I'd consider one if it was slabbed and not too much more than the regular coin.
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 Posted 06/03/2011  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ron2012Paul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help I definetly have my eyes on the ASEs I purchased a 64 Kennedy from him and another off of ebay. Didnt have much money at the time so I figured somethings better than nothing right now but here in the next couple weeks I plan on getting some ASEs. I'm glad I got a legit dealer in my town I made it pretty obvious that I was new to collecting and he still offered me good prices. I get a little confused on some of terms people use on here like pullbacks. Is melting price the price they show on the spot price charts on this page?
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 Posted 06/03/2011  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. Melt price is the listed silver buy price that jumps around every day.
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ASEs are a great choice to collect, if you can get them for a reasonable premium. Otherwise, the 1/2 and 1/4 dollar pre-1965 90% silver coins offer some really good value to the PM bullion collector. The Mercury and Roosevelt silver dimes are also good choices.

You can shop on-line, buy locally, or do a combo. Most of us probably do a combo. Developing a relationship with a local coin dealer is a great way to get a little better deal from time to time. I recently found a dealer who has a shop right next door to my wife's store. Because of that, he was willing to make me some good deals and also will accept a check in payment. I brought cash for my 1st purchase from him because that's what most dealers want but I will be more likely to buy from him in the future because of the option to use a check instead of needing a wad of cash to make purchases there. I appreciate this privilege and will be extra careful to make sure that this does not cause any problems.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
[quote][ I appreciate this privilege and will be extra careful to make sure that this does not cause any problems.
]very nice business to business people to person courtesy uncommon but so needed. Politeness always a good investment
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 Posted 06/05/2011  02:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ron2012Paul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im just waiting for pay to day to pick me up an ASE or two :)
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 Posted 06/05/2011  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoThunder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah that's the way I started my ASE collection back in 1987, just started picking up a few when ever I had some extra money. They were about $7-$8 each back then. Then just keep them safe and watch your investment appreciate.

One thing I wish I had done back then was only handle them with cotton gloves to keep the finger prints off them. Some have spots now.
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Everything ages on time exposed to the air and elements, and most collectors seem to appreciate a nice rainbow tone, a unique example of how silver changes over time....

Just stick with what you really like, and a good chance others will as well one day when cashing it in, if that is your eventual plan....
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Politeness always a good investment

Indeed it is. As my Mom likes to say, "Kindness is one of the things most undervalued in this world". Those of us who appreciate kindness and politeness benefit greatly whether giving or receiving them. The thing about them is that when someone is kind or polite, they are saying, "You matter to me as a fellow human being", and that's a very nice thing to say or do.
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Indeed it is. As my Mom likes to say, "Kindness is one of the things most undervalued in this world". Those of us who appreciate kindness and politeness benefit greatly whether giving or receiving them. The thing about them is that when someone is kind or polite, they are saying, "You matter to me as a fellow human being", and that's a very nice thing to say or do.


And the best thing about it is it's free. It doesn't cost anything to smile and be friendly.
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I always try and be polite, treat others how you would like to be treated. I didnt make it a secret that I'm new to collecting and the guy at my coin shop still gave me decent prices and was honest about everything. I think I lucked out cause if I cant find any good deals on ebay I can always just go to my coin shop in town.
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And the best thing about it is it's free. It doesn't cost anything to smile and be friendly. - GoThunder

Indeed it is. Considering what we get back from such an "investment", the pay-back is incredible.


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I didnt make it a secret that I'm new to collecting and the guy at my coin shop still gave me decent prices and was honest about everything. I think I lucked out cause if I cant find any good deals on ebay I can always just go to my coin shop in town. - Ron2012Paul

Starting a good relationship with a local dealer is one of the best ways to do well with coin collecting. I will buy from a good local coin shop before I buy on-line because the local guy is right there in your own community and more often than not, he wants your business and is prepared to make some effort to get it. If he knows that you like certain coins, for example, he will call or email to let you know that some of them have come in. They usually mention the price and the condition as well. If you have worked with him before, he will often hold the coins until you can come in and buy those that appeal to you. Do your part, though, and don't take too long to come in. There are many benefits to such an arrangement. Support the local guys if they treat you well. It's usually worth the effort.

Any local shops that do not treat you well should be avoided. They probably won't be around all that long anyway. :-/

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