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I feel very confident through the NGC pics that the coin/holder I bought was the same one graded by NGC by spotting small flaws and small random marks on the edge of the holder. This seems like a great service to me, don't know for sure the cost though. NGC pics: http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/C...=3461548-004My pics:   Edited by GoThunder
06/03/2011 6:14 pm
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Nice Thunder, is that a half oz. graded Gold Eagle, very nice!!
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Bedrock of the Community
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You have a good eye to catch those details--and your pics are far better than NGC's.  It appears NGC focused on the label and not the coin.  Perhaps that will suffice to verify most coins? |
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Bedrock of the Community
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What a beaut I think NGC needs to hire you for their picture section! DVcollector said: Quote:
It appears NGC focused on the label and not the coin. Perhaps that will suffice to verify most coins? I know that the Chinese have made fake NGC holders that correspond to actual coins. However, the last time I looked, the NGC site had info on these and showed how the Chinese made some errors with their NGC labels - including a misspelling  Although I have to wonder what the Chinese might do in the future b/c they have been improving their methods over the years. I'd like to see NGC focus on the coin itself. |
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You have a good eye to catch those details I think it helps if the grade is below MS70, that way there are some flaws to see. It also helps if you have the slab in hand to get the light angle just right. The easiest flaw to see in this case was 2 small dings or marks on the tails side just below the "O" in "OF". But there were others in the coin rim edge and the holder edges. Edited by GoThunder
06/03/2011 6:16 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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The easiest flaw to see in this case was 2 small dings on the tails side just below the "O" in "Of". Now I see it--good eyes! It must help to have the coin in hand. |
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I wish they would all take a picture of every coin submitted just because of this reason. People can look at the picture on the TPG's website when it was graded and see if it matches the coin for sale. If they would all do this it would just about put all the counterfeit slabs out of business because you could do this. It doesn't cost any extra for NGC to take a picture of the coin like this, they do it for every coin they grade now. Its not like the photography service they charge for where they send you pictures of your coin when you had it graded |
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Yeah I see now NGC started this in Oct 2008, it doesn't look like PCGS has it that I can tell. Big reason to use NGC IMHO. quote from this link: http://www.ngccoin.com/about/counte...dvisory.aspxQuote:Counterfeit NGC Holders In order to facilitate the trade of counterfeit coins in the international marketplace, counterfeiters have copied the encapsulations used by prominent certification companies, including NGC. They have done this because all modern-era coins legitimately certified by NGC are guaranteed authentic. NGC has taken several aggressive steps to curtail the spread of counterfeit NGC holders. In October 2008, we formally began a photography initiative that allows prospective buyers to see images of coins taken at NGC after certification. These images are available by entering the NGC certification number into the lookup tool on NGC's Web site. How to use the NGC certification verification tool. http://www.ngccoin.com/services/coi...ication.aspx Edited by GoThunder
06/03/2011 6:27 pm
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If they would all do this it would just about put all the counterfeit slabs out of business because you could do this. It doesn't cost any extra  Comparing coin details would be the ultimate verification--and it would spare the TPGs the impossible task of devising a foolproof slab. Stop pretending the slab matters more than the coin, LOL.  Edited by DVCollector
06/03/2011 6:33 pm
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Here's another example, no doubt in my mind these pics are the same coin/slab. ebay pics: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...TRK:MEWNX:ITNGC pics: http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/C...=2556384-006I think I've figured out the hologram watermark under the printed label can be used as a digital "finger print" as well. Notice the NGC printing under the "EARLY RELEASES" on the front label. I'm thinking that watermark goes on randomly and no 2 would be alike. I could also find a small flaw on the heads side just to the right of the lady's hip on both pics. I'm the proud winner of this one too. I don't usually go for proofs, but I got this one for about the price of the bullion coin. Edited by GoThunder
06/04/2011 4:22 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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both pics show that slight mark under the left knee of Liberty. |
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Oh yeah, I see that now too.  |
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Rest in Peace
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Didn't PCGS come up with manufactured DNA that could only be matched by their lab samples?
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However, the last time I looked, the NGC site had info on these and showed how the Chinese made some errors with their NGC labels - including a misspelling But don't think for a moment that the Chinese counterfeiters aren't VERY well aware of the NGC web site and all the nifty pointers that are there that can be used to improve their fakes!  |
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Yea, I think them taking picture is the results of the fake coin slabs. It makes it much harder to replicate. Because now you don't only have to create a fake holder and authentic labels, but they also have to make sure the type of label and slab is correct, ut that all the labels and coins look exactly as pictured...
Its a fairly strong deterent
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