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1930 Penny - Opinions Wanted

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Formerly nancyc
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 Posted 06/03/2011  9:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This coin belongs to a friend of CCF member Ag, and he would like some opinions on it's authenticity or otherwise. I hope the scans will be good enough to be able to determine if it's genuine or not.

1930-Penny---Opinions-Wanted

1930-Penny---Opinions-Wanted
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 Posted 06/03/2011  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would like a lot more magnification on the date.
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 Posted 06/03/2011  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not an expert on these at all, but I did an overlay of the pic above with the 1930 from here.
In a series of steps, I've slowly faded in the coin in question against the reference coin.
Notice what happens on the "0" in 1930; I've paused when the digit on both coins are visible.

1930-Penny---Opinions-Wanted

One more comparison--is the coin above the London obverse?

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Calcutta obverse:
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06/03/2011 10:35 pm
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 Posted 06/04/2011  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thesandpit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes most definitely is a fake I am sorry to say.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DVCollector: That is an excellent piece of forensic photography! What you show here is more powerful than a blink comparison test between two coins.

I congratulate you.

Note that there are two dies considered legitimate for the 1930 penny:
the London die, and
the Indian die.

To be honest, the die variations in the area of the date are definitely not my area of expertise.

Nevertheless, it seems that in the date area, what you have demonstrated leads my less than expert eye to suggest that the subject coin is suspicious.

I wonder if it is possible to compare the Indian die and the London die variations as you have done above? THEN compare the subject coin to both recognised die varieties.

This standard of forensic photography could well lead to an article in a coin magazine. I hope you write it, and take the cudos.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sel_691! I enjoy putting together these comparisons. While the overlay is not exact, it's pretty close.
Interesting how the last digit (0) is noticeably different. Wasn't there just one reverse die?
I look forward to hearing from collectors who know more about the 1930 penny.
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 Posted 06/04/2011  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EgCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good Job with the overlay DVCollector.... if it has the same weight and diameter couldnt this by any mean be a variety
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 Posted 06/04/2011  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Eg! Perhaps someone can correct me, but is there just one reverse die for the 1930 penny?
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 Posted 06/05/2011  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've asked Ag to try & get a nice in focus close up of the date. I sort of had a feeling it may have been a doctored 1936 as I have seen pictures of those before, but I'm just not confident enough to make the call, but seeing DV's overlay was pretty convincing.

I'm glad thesandpit gave his opinion, as I respect his knowledge regarding knowing what to look for.

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 Posted 06/06/2011  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Agosos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone,a big thanks to Nancy,my comps playing games with me for a change!I to think the 0 is a bit suss.I'm waiting for my friend to get a nice close shot.he's had this coin in a box for years,his grandfather gave them to him and didn't know it was there until he got them out for me to look,my jaw hit the floor!He's planning on taking it to a bloke in the city so I will defiantly keep you all posted.Cheers,Ag.
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06/06/2011 09:19 am
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