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How Do You See Hairline Scratches In Dim Light, Like At A CO

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 Posted 06/16/2011  9:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add qazwsxed to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just received a coin (internet purchase) that has very noticeable hairline scratches when looking through a 10x loupe. But I can only see them reflecting the light when I bring the coin into direct sunlight. I cannot see them when looking at the coin indoors due to the low light level.

So, say you are at a coin show with dim lights...how do you detect hairlines? Is there a good loupe with some sort of built-in light for this purpose? Other ideas?
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 Posted 06/16/2011  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AlmostCollectible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I purchased a magnifier from wizardcoinsupply that has a built in LED light. You can find one on ebay as well.
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Out of curiosity, what size loupe do the TPG's usually use?
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The best way of detecting hairlines on a coin is to tilt it at several different angles under a point source of light, a): without magnification, and b): with magnification.

At a coin show, a table lamp is probably the best you can hope for, and in most cases, is OK for the purpose.

I understand your problem. With older proofs, such as a 1937 British proof five pound gold coin, there is a difference of hundreds of dollars in value beteeen an FDC (Fleur de Coin: from French Flower of the Coin) and a 'nearly FDC' example. FDC coins are absolutely perfect in every way, and require careful storage.

BTW, I have such a coin, and that is why I have used it as an example. My coin is stored in an acrylic screw capsule.

Modern proof coins are often marketed in permanently sealed capsules ex mint.
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Out of curiosity, what size loupe do the TPG's usually use?

They don't, most grading is done without magnification. If they do use a glass it is usually in the 3X to 7X range.
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Any reputable dealer is going to have adequate lighting at his/her table.

I refuse to buy something over 20$ from a dealers table with no lights. I assume the there trying to hide something or they were just to lazy in the first place to invest in something to help there sales.
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Any reputable dealer is going to have adequate lighting at his/her table.

I refuse to buy something over 20$ from a dealers table with no lights. I assume the there trying to hide something or they were just to lazy in the first place to invest in something to help there sales.


When I see those no light or dim light tables, I just move on.
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Out of curiosity, what size loupe do the TPG's usually use?


For general grading, 10x. Higher magnification, including stereo microscopes for detail checking.
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I keep a 10X loop and a tiny laser pointer on my keyring. Any hairline scratch will jump off the coin when hit with the laser.

Just keep the pointer off of the surface you're checking so that you don't cause any damage while you check. This also works well to check coins in slabs.

You can do the same thing with paint on a car to find areas that have been damaged, repainted and buffed, camera lenses with scratches, DVD or CDs. Any surface that has been scratched will kick the laser light right back at you.
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