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To Grade Or Not To Grade?

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 Posted 06/19/2011  10:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add satxwd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi. I'm thinking about getting a lot of my older, hammered British coins certified. I want to get all my Tudors and a few from before graded by either NGC or PCGS. Right now I'm thinking more of using NGC but I want people's thoughts. I want them grade because I like graded coins and I also want to make sure they are real. I am not getting the coins graded to sell them nor for reasons of value. So, what shall it be? NCG? PCGS? Am I crazy for even thinking of doing this? Let me know what you think. Thanks.

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 Posted 06/20/2011  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For English coins I would use CGS UK.They know all about British coins.They using different scale 1-100 where MS starts from 80.They can attribute your coins and put catalogue number.Very proffesional-not basement.Here is the link.
http://www.coingradingservices.co.uk/
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 Posted 06/20/2011  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add satxwd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
valdiman,

Thanks for the post. Sending my coins from the Unites States over to the UK may be more than I'm willing to pay. I will look into it however. Thanks.

Oh, always looking for a 1990 Gibraltar Sovereign. Thanks.
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 Posted 06/20/2011  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have same problem with US coins.Grading is not very expensive but cost of insurance and postage I way to much.I have 2 1903 S Philippines 1 pesos,both UNC but I'm going to grade them with CGS.Not because they better with US coins but is much cheaper for me.At the moment I have 6 coins with them inc 1864 quarter(graded on forum as XF45-AU50) and AU50 1/2 cent 1909.Id like to see what their grade on it but I will have to wait about 20 more days.I will post result on forum.
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 Posted 06/20/2011  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember the fun of holding them in your hand?

Screw plastic.
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 Posted 06/22/2011  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bilnic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've yet to meet a collector on this side of the Atlantic who "slabs" coins. It just isn't British!

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 Posted 06/22/2011  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valdiman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm grading just ONE British coin.1911 British Trade dollar.Rest of them is world.Reason for this coin is following:
1)I bought this coin via Internet and Id like compare sellers grade with professionals grade
2)seller got few more coins Id like to buy
3)I have to be sure that his grades are spot on because I can rely only on his personal opinion.
4)I rather loose 11 quid on grading then 300 on Gothic crown
I'm not slabbing my most expensive coins-I love to feel them and watch details with my own eyes-not through plastic screen.
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 Posted 06/22/2011  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bilnic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The exception that proves the rule!

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 Posted 06/22/2011  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I know, neither of the big US-based slabbing companies will slab English Hammered coins.

NGC doesn't do mediaeval. Their Coins We Grade page excludes British coins pre-1662.

And according to the PCGS FAQ page, PCGS won't touch anything pre-1600.
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 Posted 06/26/2011  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add satxwd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SAP,

Yes, they do. At least NGC does. My Henry VII Angel is NGC certified, my Edward III N is NGC certified, and my Henry VIII half sovereign in certified.

Remember my original post, I want to get these certified so I know they are real and I Also like to have certified coins.
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 Posted 06/27/2011  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you know when they were graded? I'd heard that NGC's policy a few years ago was ancients and mediaevals were usually rejected, but if somebody sent them in a massive shipment of "normal" coins and threw a couple of ancient or mediaeval coins into the box, NGC did the best they could with grading the ancient and mediaeval coins, too, just to keep the customer happy. From the number of errors and mis-attributions I've seen on older NGC-slabbed ancients, "the best they could" was little more than guessing. I wouldn't trust NGC to properly identify, let alone authenticate, a mediaeval coin under those conditions. Hopefully things have improved there, one way or the other, but I don't know.

As a general rule, mediaeval coins are counterfeited far less often than either ancients or moderns - they're too thin to make cast copies of, and too irregular to make machine-struck copies of. Counterfeiters prefer easier targets.

Still, if your heart's set on slabbed mediaevals, I'd suggest sending an e-mail to both PCGS and NGC, to clarify their eligibility.
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 Posted 06/27/2011  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I can tell - grading companies are just there to entomb a coin in plasitic, give you their opinion on it - and primarily, to make a profit. That's pretty much it. At the end of the day it's your own opinion of the coin that's important and you don't need to spend any additional money to get that.

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 Posted 06/27/2011  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add satxwd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some good points made here. I'll think about it. Thanks.

William
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 Posted 07/11/2011  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add satxwd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have decided to get some of my American coins graded first. Then I will move onto my British lot. Most people told me not to get my coins graded which tells me I should do it! The truth is I like graded coins and... they are my coins. I'll post how it turns out. First five coins go in the mail this week.
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