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Would You Buy A Monster Box Of ASE At $33.50 Each?

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 Posted 06/29/2011  02:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correct my lousy math, but I figured it at fifty rolls of twenty would be 1000 ASE at $33.50 each. Then $33,500 invested, sold at $40 bucks each, a I price I will pay and many others. Then a quick 40,000 made back (if sold all now, I would not of course), say a quick profit of 6500 before shipping or other fees, and perhaps you only loose 500 to fees and shipping and clear 6 grand....

In my example above, would it be worth the trouble of moving it all, to make 6000 quickly, probably not IMO? I would buy, sit till 50, 75, maybe a 100 plus an oz. then turn them loose, as it seems if one is gonna risk 30K plus, you might as well at least double, maybe triple your money....
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 Posted 06/29/2011  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AlmostCollectible to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That sounds good on the surface and is very tempting. But let's dig deeper. We are talking big money here, it's not pocket change. The best way to handle any investment is to try and produce maximum returns with minimum risk.

If you are in a casino and have a $5,000 chip and a $1 chip. You can use that $1 chip on any bet in the casino, probably even a bet with odds as bad as a lottery, to try and win big money. Because it's only $1, you lose it, no big deal. But what about the $5,000 chip? With that in your hand, you probably want to watch the table for a bit, see how other players are fairing. Then when you think you have pretty good odds based on the last few rounds, thats probably when you want to put that chip on the table.

Same here. And I'll just use your numbers to keep the continuity. Now it may seem like it should be pretty soon, but nobody knows for sure when silver will hit $50, $75, or $100. And we are not talking about just one ASE, we are talking about $33.5K worth. First of all, should we tie up all that money until however long it takes for silver to hit $100?

Now I think there is a good chance silver will hit $50 by year end. And I am not sure of $100 at all, could be five years, could be five decades. And right now all things look bullish for silver, and they always do before bubbles burst. But lets be positive about it and say it goes all the way to $100 by year end. What's the return? Losing $500 on fees and shipping like above, you make 66K, or 194%. Yeah that's amazing, and I'll take that anyday! Well, what about an immediate sale like I said? So our $6K from above equals to a mere 17.6% return.

Well, that concludes it right?

No, mathematically we are comparing apples to oranges here. It would take us six months to make $66K. And $6K is immediate, which can be reinvested for more returns. Now if it were me, I'd have a dealer lined up even before I purchased these, and sell same day for minimum risk to me. But let's just say it takes him a full two weeks to find another dealer to sell to, even in today's craziest of silver markets. So say 14 days.

So to compare apples to apples, anyone with a finance degree will tell you that we need to annualize our returns.

The 194% return in six months, annualized is 791% return.
While 17.6% in 14 days annualizes to 6,820% return.

There is the math. Not to mention we also minimized our risk, by flipping immediately. That's why I'll stick with immediate resale.
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There is absolutely no guarantee that silver will go to $1, $5, $50 or $XXX at any point in the future. An immediate sale is a guaranteed profit, anything else is pure speculation.
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 Posted 06/29/2011  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Op-
Did you lock in the price? Looks like silver's up a half buck this moaning.
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 Posted 06/29/2011  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Immediate turn is the only way to go, unless you already had that much put aside specifically for long-term investment, and were just waiting for a good deal.

As trdhrdr says, all these possible % are meaningless, because you don't know the future. A bird in the hand is a mess.
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 Posted 06/29/2011  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add throwbackid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We ended up getting 23 rolls total, the man saved for himself. We ended up paying spot at $33.50 on 460 of them. I kept some for myself my father put his where he put things. My dad will have those till the day he dies, he never sells anything. I am going to sell mine real soon probably when it goes up to $40 or around the time of my LV trip in October. The craps tables don't take eagles, but then again they probably would.


Yep 25 rolls in a box I have no clue why I thought 50
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 Posted 06/29/2011  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats on you and your fathers purchase.
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Congrats on your purchase. I'm jealous. Actually, I'm very jealous.
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06/29/2011 9:05 pm
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Thank you it was a nice day for silver. I may sell a few of them if anyone is interested pm me.
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Nice deal!
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I hope this silver run continues into the next couple weeks. There is a big coin show here at the end of the month and I would love to trade some eagles for a nice hunk of gold.
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I wish I had this opportunity. Congrats on the deal :)
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Yeah if silver passes 40, getting 55 on ebay is easy for those nice ASE coins, and shows a bit less, probably going between 42 on low end and 45 on the high end if I was guessing. As most at the shows are all looking for a deal, so most the wise is gonna go to the stand that sells the closest to spot I would think....
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While 17.6% in 14 days annualizes to 6,820% return.

There is the math.


You're forgetting two things, repeatability and scalability.

Repeatability means that there is a similar deal in two weeks, so you can make another 17.6%.

Scalability means the next deal has to be for 588 pieces, so you can invest (and compound) the entire bankroll.

The bigger problem here is scalability. While there is no problem getting even tens of thousands of ASE, it won't be at that good a discount.
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