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I've also heard of hiding your stash in a box of kitty litter, probably works best if you don't have a cat using it lol.  I've heard the first place the crooks go to is the master bedroom, so that is the worst place to hide a stash.
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I found some more storage tips to prevent tarnish, for those that don't want toning. This are mainly meant for display silver or silver flatware but can also apply to coins. Quoted from this link: http://www.conservationregister.com...ate.asp?id=4 Quote:
What can go wrong? 'Tarnish' appears as gradual discolouration and loss of polish, the metal turning first to pink, darkening to brown, and then to a very dark grey or black with a slight iridescent sheen. This is caused by sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, originating from the burning of fossil fuels and other industrial activity. Humans are also agents in producing tarnish -- the salts and greases in our skin are highly corrosive and can mark a polished surface irreversibly.
Where conditions have become more harsh, or an object has been severely neglected, you may also see crusty, green-coloured deposits. These are the corrosion products of the copper in the silver-alloy as it corrodes. There are many causes for this, but common ones are storage in damp conditions or the action of chemicals, especially those from the residues of cleaning compounds.
What you can do - prevention # Avoid bringing silver into long-term contact with protein-based materials such as wool, silk or leather when choosing materials to store or display silver; these contain sulphur compounds. # You can use sulphur-absorbing materials in a case to slow down tarnishing, e.g. Charcoal Cloth, Silver Safe, or copper-impregnated plastic films. # Use clean cotton gloves to handle silver items -- especially when it is highly polished and at its most reactive. # Keep silver dust-free using a soft clean lint-free cloth or a very soft hair brush. Dust can attract moisture and initiate the tarnish or corrosion cycle. # Know your collection. Which items are valuable -- historically, personally, financially? You should not attempt to remove even tarnish from these yourself if you value them, but trust them to a specialist metals conservator. # Keep tarnish-removal for other "everyday" items to a regular minimum. Bear in mind that each time you do this you are removing a little of the original surface. # Keep the environment around your objects well-ventilated and dry -- dampness causes corrosion. # When moving an item, use two hands around the body of a vessel and do not pick up by the handles, which are often weakened with age and use.
I might just add to that, its been my experience that exposure to gun powder or powder residue has produced my most heavily toned silver coins. That is ASEs I won at shooting matches many years ago are very toned now.
Edited by GoThunder 06/30/2011 12:01 pm
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Another thing those of us in tornado alley worry about is losing a stash in a tornado. This is where a floor safe would really shine as many times in an F5 the only thing left of a house is the concrete slab. Even large 1000 lb safes can be swept away by wind...a few pics here: http://www.libertysafe.com/FYI, when I say floor safe I'm referring to safes encased in a concrete slab.
Edited by GoThunder 06/30/2011 12:13 pm
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If a wind that hard hits Ed, he and the house will be blown off to oz anyway  . Nice safe and plan  ....
Edited by Silverhawk74 06/30/2011 3:23 pm
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Tornadoes are not much of a problem here in the Pacific NW. Last one we had was back in April of '72. Still, my safe WILL be bolted to concrete with 4 very heavy concrete anchor bolts, so unless the slab is carried away, it should be fine. Not that there won't be other HUGE problems created by our house (and perhaps us too!) being demolished! 
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Quote: A dog can be a great deterrent too. Yes, it sure can. Most thieves do not like the attention that a noisy dog creates. They'd rather skulk about in darkness. Darkside dwellers are usually like that. 
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Well, I am in a bit of a tornado alley here in the south, even though no where as bad as like Alabama or the typical south west states like Kansas and Oklahoma....
We have been hit hard this year to biblical proportions, or the entire south for that matter. Hail the size of baseballs (the roofers and car dealers have cleaned up, many moved down here just for roofing and gutter work)in the storm that killed so many in May. And recently we had several twisters hit the hill my grand parents live on, and never seen anything like that in that area in my 37 years, and people in their mid 50's say they have never seen anything like it in their lifetimes either, huge trees ripped up and shredded like toothpicks....
Even three days before that, Tues before last, we had a 30 minute storm at work, and table 91 got ripped up in the air and slammed down a good twenty feet away, as the foolish people were finally deciding inside may be better, even though ever one in town comes out to our Restaurant for the lake and patios. There were plates of food on it and everything. I decided to try and make a run for my truck, to move it out from under some old trees where we all park down low, and I had to turn back, as the wind nearly lifted me off my feet. On my way back in, I saw a heavy metal vent cover free up from the roof, and it smashed down in front of a table, and if anyone had still been sitting there, they would have been killed....
Call it a weather cycle or whatever, but it is funny everything is playing right out just how all the 2012 kooks said it would, with natural disasters, war, and economical disasters. Do I think it is the end of the world? Heck no, but no doubt this trip through the center of the galaxy which happens every 26,800 years brings some unusual weather patterns with it, as well as increased natural disasters, and there is probably more to come....
Edited by Silverhawk74 07/01/2011 01:23 am
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Quote: Call it a weather cycle or whatever, but it is funny everything is playing right out just how all the 2012 kooks said it would, with natural disasters, war, and economical disasters. Yeah, like we've never had severe weather before. Some years will be real bad (like this one) and others real mild (like last year). It averages out. Our problems here tend to be of the flooding and earthquake types. Been through both and neither was much fun. I live on a hill, so flooding is a non-problem. Earthquakes are a very real problem, though. We had a 6.6 quake a few years ago. I was at work and felt the building shaking. I ran outside and I could see the ground moving in waves. All of the cars in the parking lot were bouncing up and down and their alarm systems were going nuts for about 30-40 seconds. Thankfully, very little real damage resulted. We had a few new cracks in some sidewalks, chimneys, and foundations but no buildings collapsed or anything else real serious happened. OTOH, they say that we could have a 9.0 ripper someday. Would prefer NOT to have that for sure! 
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I kind of live in tornado alley so picking up one of them safes doesn't sound like a bad idea at all.
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The safest security is silence. The safest image to project and lifestyle to live, for multiple reasons, is humility. I live in a neighborhood that is not targeted by home invaders while homes in a nearby influential area are. I don't drive a Benz, I drive a ten year old car.
I know my neighbors well. I don't talk coins with anyone in person because innocent people are about three degrees separated from "that guy in the family, you know, Uncle Biff, in prison for armed robbery".
The most fluent, effective information-gathering force in human history has and will always be the forces of the lost and treacherous. They are everywhere with their ears to the railroad tracks.
Beyond silence, redundancy. Spread the load like Hobbits. I have my stash in three places, all of them ridiculously difficult for thieves to access.
Finally, consider your online presence. Making big threads about your goodies, especially pictures, is like ringing the dinner bell. Be wary of anything posted to the web anywhere. Carefully control your profile here. Use innocuous email accounts like kb4234@somemail.com, and use redundant isolated accounts for registration to non-essential sites.
Never transact over public wifi connections. Woe be it to the guy who doesn't understand the man in the middle.
Hide your allocation amounts from everyone. Don't call up an investment firm and act like Scrooge McDuck sitting on a vault. Assume anyone is a potential scout, from the teller at the bank to the other guy at the coin shop. I forgot this rule recently and my car was robbed for it.
Finally, arm yourself, your family, and teach them the same principles.
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Oh, and vote Ron Paul for president, 2012!
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Quote: They are everywhere with their ears to the railroad tracks. May they lose their hearing as a train approaches from behind!  I agree with your comments. Anonymity is a potent weapon against the slugs that prey on the fruits of others labors. I live in a nice neighborhood and we do have some thieves who come around here from time to time. Fortunately, the neighbors on both sides of us have noisy alert dogs that a cat would have trouble approaching. Another thought is that we should avoid bumper or window stickers in our vehicles that advertise potential goodies in our homes. No American Numismatic Society or NRA type stickers. Anything that can be quickly and easily grabbed and converted to cash should not be mentioned to anyone. Our friends and neighbors may well be good people but if they let it slip to their gardener, delivery person, or handyman, who knows what they will do with that info or to whom they may repeat it. I also agree that vehicles are a dead giveaway for anyone with substantial financial resources. Driving a Beemer, Jag, Mercedes, Lexus, etc. is fine but, for heaven's sake, put it in the garage. Leave the beater pickup or errand running econo-box in the driveway.
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The idiot with big shinny wheels, tinted windows, loud radio always is the guy I drive by pulled over by four cops and in the process of being searched as I drive by in my gold four door 2001 Toyota Tacoma which I rarely get up past 45 miles per hour often or much beyond 2000 RPMs. My girlfriend hates it, I drive like a snail, lol. As opposed to again, the guy in the red sports car being hassled every other day....
Of course that is off subject a bit, but thieves have eye's as well and they are attracted to money and wealth no doubt....
As far as posting here pictures here for example, I don't worry. Most all of us has a stash of some sort, so if one really wanted to rob someone, they could just spin the Rolodex so to speak, sell someone an item, TO GET THAT KEY ADDRESS. Of course I don't know any of you in person even though I would bet 99% are trust worthy, and if that is accurate it is that 1% of crooks we all have to watch for. Plus most of us are separated by many miles if not oceans, and for one to get ones address however that could be achieved, then drive hundreds of miles to their home and town, stake them out and eventually rob them. It could happen, but unlikely I would think. Just to much trouble, and an unrealistic perhaps and there are many easier ways for crooks to make their money. Once you got here, you would have just a good of a chance of getting busted, shot, or killed here as you would anywhere else. And you would need a map to the stash in most all cases, and even if you found it, getting in the safes are another animal all its own....
I recall that one story here of that guy who was robbed of like a half a million in silver, via fake cops robbing at gun point and forcing him to open safe, so it does happen. I know he had to run his mouth to the wrong company, or else those crooks would not have known he had a half million in silver. Heist are plotted out every day everywhere....
Edited by Silverhawk74 07/03/2011 11:57 pm
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Quote: ...and there are many easier ways for crooks to make their money. And there you have the essence of it, Hawk. Crooks are basically lazy, so anything the good guys can do to make stealing difficult will often convince them to look for easier targets. Back in my parents day (WWII), they used to say that, "Loose lips, sink ships". They were right about that security issue but we can also apply that to this topic. Unnecessary blabbing about what you have WILL attract the scum of the Earth at some point, so keep it buttoned! Very few people would walk downtown in a major US city with packs of $100 bills showing from their pockets. Blabbing about your gold or silver stash is no different... and it will have the same result. 
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