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Can This China Be Real?

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 Posted 07/01/2011  2:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
[eBayItem] 270570811849 [/eBayItem] I know I know ancient Chinese coins long buried just now dug up the rest of the items are copies but he did id them as plated etc. has lots of sales and FB. ahh come on like ( Mulder in x-files ) I WANT to believe ! Is it possibly passable? ,,, guaranteed genuine with return ,,? Thank YOU !
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 Posted 07/01/2011  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is one picture with nine of these. They all look the same. Same patina, color. Being dug up after hundreds of years in the dirt, I would expect some verdigris, corrosion, etc., and not the same degree on each one! Or, then again, maybe it is EXACTLY as they say they are
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 Posted 07/01/2011  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimineez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am certainly no expert on these, but see how he has 9 of them that all look basically identical? That seems very unlikely to me.... I did see a videoed story on the Chinese fakes, and they showed whole shops full of thousands of items like this that were all fakes. These shops were operating in China and selling all kinds of worthless junk everyday, most all of it looked weathered/worn.
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 Posted 07/01/2011  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimineez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ha, drdave beat me to it! looks like we are on the same page here...
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 Posted 07/01/2011  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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THEY HAVE BEEN LAYING IN THE DIRT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS

THESE COINS ARE MADE OF COPPER BRONZE

INFORMATION ON CLEANING THESE COINS CAN EASILY BE GATHERED FROM THE INTERNET

Information on identifying these coins can easily be gathered from the Internet, too. So why didn't this seller bother?

The answer becomes obvious when you try. These are purporting to be the extremely rare "guo bao jin gui" 10,000 cash knife-coins of the fourth issue of usurper emperor Wang Mang, 14-22 AD. Genuine examples are so rare they're unpriced in the Jen catalogue, and there are no genuine examples on zeno.ru. I doubt there are more than 10 known to exist anywhere on the planet. There is, however, an example of this fake, here.
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 Posted 07/02/2011  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank You Sap
I should have could have would have ,,,,
looked it up my self ahh but there in lays the rub I wanted to believe sooo.. my natural scepticism turned off my reason went out the window my caution went out the door !
i wanted to believe that a fantastically rare coin of extreme antiquity (what you said ) some how got smuggled ( under pain of death )by the truck load even!;) out of China,, just on time to ebay so I could have the honer of buying it for ten bucks now that is a lot of belief !
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 Posted 07/02/2011  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For those who don't speak metric, these are about as tall and wide as two Brass Bucks side by side.
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 Posted 07/02/2011  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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THESE COINS ARE GENUINE CHINESE COINS THAT HAVE BEEN DUG UP BY EXCAVATORS IN RECENT YEARS
I seem to recall the Chinese govt. has really cracked down on looting and exportation of valuable cultural artifacts in recent years. Wouldn't such (rare) coins be exactly the type of piece that would generate intense scrutiny? If any actually got out of China, they would end up in high-end antiquities dealers to realize maximum return.

I spend a lot of time in Asian art museums, and China has some beautiful ancient bronze pieces (including coins)--but none are being peddled for pennies on the virtual street corner.

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sellers name speaks volumes has to be on purpose
well putting that aside why didn't' he just say they were reproductions ? they don't cost much more then we we could all respect a token seller the added advertising I just gave him ? now I don't want to believe !
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