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Improving The Efficiency Of My Penny Searching

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Searching pennies is taking me too long because I'm basically checking every single coin for errors and varieties. I felt in the past that I have to check them all because I don't want to miss anything. But I think I'll actually do better volume get better results if I focus on years with more or better varieties and skip the ones that only have very minor ones.

Specifically, I want to make a list of post-1982 years that aren't worth the trouble, because those make up the vast majority of the pennies I get and I'll be hanging on to the copper cents anyway. For those years, I'll just give the coins a cursory examination for major errors like Cuds, mis-strikes or rotation, and skip the thorough examination under magnification.

Anybody willing to share the list they use?
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 Posted 07/07/2011  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IC Double to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1959 date, 1959D Mule, 1960 DDO, 1960D DDO and sm date, 1961 Date, 1962 Date, 1963D Date, 1964 DDO and DDR, 1964D DDR, 1966 DDO, 1967 DDR, 1968 DDO, 1968D DDO and DDR, 1969 DDO, 1969S DDO, 1970PD and S DDO and sm date, 1971 DDO, 1972 DDO, and 1980 DDO. That is my list when I narrow down what I'm looking for. That coins I feel not worth the trouble looking at is 1973-1979. There are some DDOs in them yrs 1974 and 76 I believe.

One other thing I look at everyone one with a MM for an RPM 1989 and under.
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I do not use a list. I look at each coin with a 9X loop. If there is anything that looks odd, I will re-examine with a 30X loop, sometimes a 60X scope. By taking my first glance with the 9X loop I feel like I do not miss much, and if I do not see anything I move on to the next coin. You truly do not want to rush through searching. Take your time, have fun, and maybe discover something new.
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I only have time to look at a finite number of coins. If I skip years with only minor varieties that means I can look at that many more coins from better years. It also increases my haul of wheat cents and other old coins.

By analogy, if you are digging for gold, you dig where the geology suggests gold might be found, you don't just plunge a mine shaft in any old plot of land you can get your hands on.
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If you looking for speed, just don't buy any rolls and return the ones you have to the bank. Learn what to look for for each type of doubled die. See what can happen and look for this on each coin. I look at year first and see where I need to go. That was how I made a new discovery on a 2002-D Lincoln Cent reverse. I saw the doubled dies on the 2004 cents and added that to my searches for all single squeeze die coins. Then I found my coin. There has been only one other one that I know of so far.
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http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds



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I understand that I'm going to be missing some minor and undiscovered varieties, but I'm trying to find more wheats and Indians and such and want to focus the time I have for searching for varieties on the most promising dates.
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Well if you want to narrow your search with the dates you have provided I would suggest looking for the 1983 LMC DDO, 1984 LMC DDO, 1992 CAM, 1992-D CAM, 1998 WAM. 1999 WAM, and the 2000 WAM. All of these you should be able to see without a loop. I think the concept you are not grasping is that a majority of the varieties, like 99.99% of them are not so easily spotted. Close and careful examination is what yields results. Most varieties are not worth more than a buck or two. I just enjoy the hunt. I post pics on here all the time with things I can not explain. Most of the time they are nothing, but on occasion, I do find something worthwhile. I am afraid if you are narrowing your search criteria you will actually be turned off from variety searching altogether. Because the narrower your search parameters, the fewer coins you will find.

If you want a particular date that carries a ton of varieties look at all the 2009 LP1 and LP2 Philadelphia mint cents. There are literally hundreds of reverse die varieties. Go to coppercoins.com and type in any date and just look at what varieties that come up for that date. Then decide for yourself which would be more worthwhile for you.
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I do have about a half dozen of the 2009 LP1 doubles. I also just found my fourth 2004-P Jefferson DDO about ten minutes ago (yes, really), and there are very few nickel dates I check for varieties. I am quite happy to find wheat cents and things, so I'll keep searching regardless.

Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the advice. And the coins I do look at, I look at thoroughly, with magnification. I just want to go through enough volume of pennies that I can accumulate wheats for my collection, while making sure to examine the important dates in a thorough way. If I can toss back half the Zinc then I can give the rest the thorough examination I want without feeling like it takes weeks to get through a box.
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I may just be trying to do too much, I'm roll hunting four different denominations, trying to search pennies for varieties, trying to do the Buffalo nickel set thing, I want to collect every coin I see, trying to make time to read and do all my other hobbies... Maybe I should try to narrow my focus, like just do nickels really seriously for a while since they've been giving me so much love.
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07/08/2011 12:19 am
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Most of the circulated coins you find have been searched many times for the biggies. That is why to search for the unknown varieties. These are misssed as not everyone know what to look for. I spend about 15 seconds to a minute per coin. Stained/ugly/pitted/scratched/damaged/corroded all go back without a first look.
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Alright, I think you're winning me over. Although I don't think it's true that the coins are all that searched-over. People find the WAM varieties all the time, I find a Buffalo nickel in almost every box, there are tons and tons of wheat cents out there, people find silver dimes, Mercury dimes and even the occasional Barber. Those are all things that any roll searcher would pull out. No, probably there isn't a 1955 doubled die out there waiting for me, but there could be a 1995.
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You have to consider location also. In the West P mint coins are a very low percentage. Here maybe 1%. They are usually just heavily circulated coins. Maybe it's the area? I have even found a rev Memorial bar cent for months. Just nothing of interest out there in this area. I try to pick up cents when I've over 100 miles away. Los Vegas or Laughlin when I get a chance. Seems like I keep getting coins that someone just returned to be re-rolled. On the East Coast there seem to be more varieties that haven;t been pulled yet. Even RPMs are almost scarce here. From circulation I don't remember the last time I found a variety coin?
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I sort first and like coop trash anything not nice. I'm not interested in finding/keeping something that was ground into the parking lot. My sort is date/mint and when I have a full tube I research then search allowing me to really focus on the date/mint in hand. I never search during the sort. This is mostly from lack of experience. I'm sure coop can jump from a 88 model to a 2006 with thinking but I need to learn the different obverses and reverses and can't do that jumping around.

This method does require some easy capture...

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See, that's what I need more than anything, to get my crap organized. I got myself a shelf with little drawers, but I already filled it up with nickels, and it doesn't have near enough drawers for LMC 1959-2011 sorted by date and mint. I've got some bins sorted out by decade, which I had done before I read a tip to sort by last digit first, which results in more even piles, which makes sorting go faster.

Now, how do I improvise something like that without a wood shop...
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242 tubes. That is huge. But you are right. I look at the year/mint mark and go from there. The year and date tells me what to search for. When I say "what to search for" that doesn't mean that I search just certain years for known varieties. I may have a mental note of them, but I search those years with what types of doubling can happen. I'm methodical when searching doing it the same way for the year I'm looking for. Every once in a while my eye will detect someing and I'll go back to what seemed different. But searching goes fast. Anything too minor gets passed over as who would buy it. I have rolls of doubled die that I found years ago, but now realize that they are too minor for anyone to have interest in. I still have them because they are BU coins, but never finished the rest of the rolls because there were a lot in there. One of them had hub doubling on 1 letter and the other ones found had doubling on three letters. They are doubled dies, just minor ones.
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I started with 100 tubes, built the sort board and then bought 100 more. The left is wheats and the right memorials. Obviously the teens, 20's and early 30's don't get much action but if I find something it always has a home. I'm missing a few tubes but I can cover any date/mint I'm likely to find. Another 50 would top the board off but I really don't need them.

The original sectioned box that they come in would suffice. I just wanted something more substantial and it was a fun project over the winter holidays. The tubes are the functional piece, not the board.

Also, I don't sort directly to the board. I thought I would at first but it's too tedious to open all the tubes even if it's only the memorials. I sort by decade and when I have enough or I'm bored, I'll sort that into the board rolling up when I fill a tube.

Again, the best part is when I get ready to search for E&V, I have a nice clean pure date/mint roll to search.

Have fun!
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