4 Reales 1770 Mexico - Counterfeit/Fake Or Not ?

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MathieuMa Pillar of the Community France 1591 Posts	Posted 07/08/2011 05:03 am Hi, I don't have that coin yet (Pillar 4 reales from Carolus III) - and that one may fit the place till I get a better looking one (won't bid high) I don't like its look for some reason, maybe the metal color. The seller told me the rim was too damaged to see an overlap. Should I go for it ? What would be a decent price ? Thanks in advance ! Report this Post to the Staff

jfransch Pillar of the Community United States 1801 Posts	Posted 07/08/2011 3:36 pm If the rim is too damaged to see the overlap, I would pass on the coin and wait for a nice specimen to come along. Nice 4 reales come along often enough to fill your need for the type, even though they are much scarcer than the 8's. Report this Post to the Staff
Westwood Arms Pillar of the Community United States 684 Posts	Posted 07/08/2011 6:49 pm Don't know about this one. I paid $550 for a nice XF 1757 4R Report this Post to the Staff
MathieuMa Pillar of the Community France 1591 Posts	Posted 07/09/2011 04:47 am OK thanks - I'll wait for another one which can be checked properly :) Not particularly looking for an xf+++ one, but better than this auction would be great. I bought coins in last Aureo auction (and soler y llach as well) - but this kind was not on my priority then :D Actually if I remember well there was a bunch of 8 reales, but no 4 reales. Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 07/11/2011 7:10 pm I think the advice is generally good. Pillar coins are very heavily forged and the forgers are using SILVER. I own many modern counterfeit silver Pillar coins. So be careful with this series in particular. As for the relative occurrence of 4Rs versus 8Rs - perhaps I can shed a bit of light there as well. I track on a spreasdheet EVERY ebay auction in the Mexican section by denomination and type from the 16th century up to 1897 and the end of the Reales. My spreadsheets run from July to July and cover almost 4 years of postings on ebay. I watch International ebay sites as well but only record postings on US to avoid duplication. In the past year (July 2010 through June 2011) there have been 176,062 items posted under ebay Mexico. In the total were 1751 Pillar 8R coins and 118 4R coins. So in that one type 8R's appear 14.83 times as often as 4R's. For anyone interested the Pillar 4R was the LEAST often posted denomination of any type Cob, Pillar, Portrait or Cap and Ray covering all the denominations from 1/2R to 8R. The comes the BAD news roughly HALF were in my opinion COUNTERFEIT or seriously altered. Report this Post to the Staff
MathieuMa Pillar of the Community France 1591 Posts	Posted 07/12/2011 02:54 am It will take a bit more time then, I'm trying to assemble a set of each denomination per king (not necessarily the same mint and date) - as look as they look alike. And as long as they have the same design (carolus III bust on carolus IIII coins being a different design for example - for guatemala ... well they are expensive :p but I love those) That's more complicated with cobs though, for carolus II ones I'm trying to get one from each mint - and even then the design varies much depending on the mint master (maybe i'll try to get more of those :p) As you said, 4 reales are hard to find - and I already had to return some (thanks to your precious advices mostly) Report this Post to the Staff
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4 Reales 1770 Mexico - Fake Or Not ?