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 Posted 07/11/2011  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add glenzy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Danlos, then you'll have to re-list the coins you have on E-bay to suit those trends!

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 Posted 07/11/2011  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So is "MS 70 Industrial Strength Coin Brightener" a coin dip? I was told by a local, respected dealer that this is something he uses and is non-detectable.
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 Posted 07/11/2011  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tfred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oxford guy...unless you were around in 1816 to personally pick up your six pence, how do you know that it has never been dipped in the past 195 years.

I have dipped MS coins and placed them next to (supposedly) undipped coins, and you cant tell them apart.
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 Posted 07/11/2011  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some seem to try to equalize "Professional Conservation" and "dipping" they are very different IMO.....one side knows what they are doing....the other does not.....again I refer to the 1936 Dot Dime that was Dipped by a "Professional Conservator"....went up 2 Grades and the dipper told the world he did it.............yup...."Blast White" now....but he knew what he was doing to remove the "Ugly" Toning.
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Dipping a coin is not considered "cleaning". Even the Charlton Catalogue's Introduction to Coins at the front of the book states this.

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Even the Charlton Catalogue's Introduction to Coins at the front of the book states this.


Wow, so if it is a book, it must be true. I would rather trust my chemistry text book from high school. Frankly, as nickelsguy mentions above, you have to know what you are doing. Basically, this is a substitution chemical reaction with the oxide coating on the surface of the coin. Technically speaking, it is cleaning. But so is picking out the gunk from letters of the legend with a hawthorn pick. Although "cleaning" is a nasty word to be associated with numismatics, it can be done properly. Some coins are not worth dipping, depending on how it was toned (artificially or otherwise), you also should know what solution you are dipping the coin in. However, this is not a black box approach. Household 'silver dip' is much too strong to be dipping coins, unless you are studying varieties in detail, using junk coins. I often cut the common silver dip solution down to about 50% with distilled water, and only dip coins if I think it will vastly "save" the coin from a numismatic perspective.

I sometimes give coins a long ultrasonic bath, with distilled water... do you consider that cleaning? (You don't have to answer that, I am using it as an example to illustrate a point!).
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If a silver coin is kept in an air tight container, it's possible for it to retain is original "blast white" appearance. If it's kept in free air though, it will not stay white over a period of years, not a chance.

The BL I use for my avatar has a little dark toning in the upper left of the reverse that I'd love to make disappear, but I've never been able to bring myself to "preserve" it.
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Here's a coin I might consider dipping, but first I'd like everyones grade. Thanks in advance.(It is in an ANACS holder.

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Zonad


Are you serious about dipping this one ? XF-45
You will let us see it after you do that evil deed?
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It's a beauty,don't dip it
AU55 minimum
Hard to discern toning from wear in the photo
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DBM, if it's in an Anacs slab they probably gave it an MS-62, whereas, I.C.C.S. would rate it as an AU-58. Overall a nice piece, however, keep it's original toning, it's a beauty!

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Trying to grade a picture of a coin with toning is very difficult. It first looks like an EF45. But having toned coins myself, I know how the different shades of toning can look like wear. The ribbon on the neck looks worn, but I'll guess that its toning because the reverse looks good.

final answer...AU55(maybe 58)
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Zonad - I think your coin is too far gone to dip. It would come out flat & lifeless. AU-58?
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It is an ANACS AU58. I have owned it a few years, but of course would like to know the result of dipping before doing it. One done no turning back, so I will leave for a while.
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 Posted 07/12/2011  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add littlemoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dipping will certainly make it look more like AU58
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