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Ancient Authentication And (Hopefully) Identification

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We have this coin to sell for a client. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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We have this coin to sell for a client. Any help would be greatly appreciated.




its a 1994 Roosevelt dime worth about 10 cent lol


Just kidding this looks like a thread for Sap to chime in on
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its a 1994 Roosevelt dime worth about 10 cent

Bryan, your knowledge never ceases to amaze me.

I've emailed Sap already. There's a few others also.

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This an issue I'm not familiar with (since I'm mainly focussed on Judaean issues). However, it does appear to be a type that is likely pretty popular. I like the design. You might want to try https://www.ForumAncientCoins.com. You'll probably find someone there that can help ya.
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Bryan, your knowledge never ceases to amaze me.

I owe it to everyone on this board, I was just an old dummy collecting shiny round things before I found this site
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It's an ancient Roman denarius, from the early Republic period. Obverse head of Roma with denomination mark X, reverse the twins Castor and Pollux on horseback, ROMA below. Dated somewhere around 100 BC or earlier I believe, but I'm at work at the moment so I don't have my references handy (I haven't seen your e-mail yet, either, Bobby). Still, that should give you a head-up if you want to have a go looking up the specific variety on coinarchive or wildwinds. I should have more details for you when I get home, but y'all probably be in bed by then...
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OK, I'm back home, surrounded by my reference books... which aren't actually helping much in this case.

The key identifying mark for this particular coin is the crescent, in between the two stars hovering above the twin's heads - this isn't "normal". Sear's nice new Millennium edition catalogue has dozens of varieties for the Roma/Dioscuri denarius, ranging from 211 BC to the low 100's BC. Later issues are easier to ID and date, because the moneyers began to get egotistical and put their names on their coins. No name or monogram normally means an older issue; this one actually appears to be in among the very earliest types (211-206 BC).

Some searching on Wildwinds finally turned it up: the reference is "RSC anonymous 20i". There are pictures on this WIldwinds page. "RSC" is Roman Silver Coins, a multi-volume catalogue (which was published by Seaby), which I don't own any volumes of. References in other works are given on the Wildwinds page.

As to catalogue value, Sear lumps RSC Anon 20i in with all the other varieties from this time period, as Sear #39, with the CV "from £60 (VF)", noting that "the symbols are extremely varied, some being of considerable rarity" but not going into further detail.

The Wildwinds page linked above lists 8 specimens of this particular type. Prices attained vary - one particularly scuffed example went on ebay for $17. The best specimen sold at auction for $625. Most seem to be in the $70 to $200 range.

For the first half of your query (authentication), I'd be reluctant to make a firm judgement. It doesn't look obviously "wrong" to me, and it doesn't seem to be in the FORVM fakes database. Apart from that, I don't really have the expertise in any one series to comment.
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Yep, that's about what I said via PM. Nice Coin :)

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Wow, thanks Sap and BD. That's a lot of info.

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For the first half of your query (authentication), I'd be reluctant to make a firm judgement. It doesn't look obviously "wrong" to me, and it doesn't seem to be in the FORVM fakes database. Apart from that, I don't really have the expertise in any one series to comment.


Do you think I should post it over on ForumAncientCoins to get some more eyes on it? We are going to sell it and I certainly don't want to sell a fake.


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I went ahead and posted it over there to see if we get a few comments on the authenticity....

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/bo...opic=33013.0

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