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 Posted 07/15/2011  11:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CPC24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was looking in pawn shops today and came across a 1947 1 Balboa (VN BALBOA LEY .900) from Panama. Apparently, this coin is 90%, like a Morgan or Peace dollar, (it was made at the US Mint) but the premium is lower. The store was selling it at $30, a bit below melt if I'm correct. Would it be worth it?
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 Posted 07/16/2011  05:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are into World coins, that's a buy worth considering, depending on condition.
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 Posted 07/16/2011  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sold some of mine recently at a coin show for that same price, $30. As you say,, they have the same amt. of silver as Morgans, silver is silver, so if you can buy one in nice condition why not?
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 Posted 07/16/2011  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CPC24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, guys. I'll go back today or Monday, and see if he still has it. It was at least VG.
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CPC24 The one and only drawback to holding silver in Panamanian Balboas instead of US coin is resale. This applies only to bullion items in the US.

At resale you can easily get 90-100% of spot silver price these days for US coins. Dealers are even paying over 90%. But NOT for foreign silver. To get 90% of spot for a foreign silver coin in the US you really need to have a private party to sell to and they are notoriously fickle. Also foreign silver will almost always be discounted for wear by almost every person purchasing the coins. US coins are often sold and traded by count.

But quite frankly I prefer the foreign silver coins as being less boring.

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 Posted 07/16/2011  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although I generally agree with Swamperbob, you may live in an area where there are dealers who buy and sell world coins. I had no trouble unloading some of mine for $30 at the Baltimore coin show last month and that was to two different dealers.
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 Posted 07/16/2011  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
chasinva69 Your coins must have been better than bullion or the dealers had a retail sale in mind because spot value today is closer to $29 than $30 with no discount. Remember the coin being discussed is VG - a clear bullion coin and the value at melt is the issue. To be collectible a Balboa must be VF or better and that applies even to the ones dated in the 1930s. Typically I retain EF-MS Balboas and melt everything below that grade.

Perhaps terminology is at fault. Spot price in my thinking is the value of the silver in the coin based on actual weight of the coin multiplied by the stated fineness multiplied by the current silver value. Well worn coins can be 2-3% low in weight.

Melt value is always lower (spot Minus a %) and represents the value of the coin at a refinery. They do NOT pay spot but a percentage below spot which varies. Many dealers say they melt coins but that is often not true. Working for a dealer who does in fact ship to a smelter daily, I know NO dealer can afford to pay anything over 95% because that is all the smelter pays and the payment is based on spot on the date of refining NOT the date of sale.

Coin value is usually higher (spot PLUS a %) and is the retail price for a coin in a store or show setting.

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 Posted 07/16/2011  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^ you're right, mate. They were much nicer than VG. These guys were probably going to turn around and sell them for $60 or $70.
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 Posted 07/16/2011  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CPC24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It might have been EF, I didn't get a good look. I usually stick to US coins, but this one was interesting.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CPC24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I went back and got it today. It's really nicely toned, with almost no wear. It's at least a VF.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
chasinva69 If you know of a market that gets $60 to $70 each for the Balboas please let me know. They go begging here for $40 in MS grades. The last one that went in the display case was an MS 1934 and it stayed there for months. It eventually went in the melt bin. The price was set as a % above melt and no one would pay 25% over spot. The price of $60 is almost TWICE spot. I would love to buy them here at spot or even 25% over and sell for 100% over in another location. At that rate I could afford free shipping.
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 Posted 07/21/2011  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A 1934 (legit) UNC Balboa should really bring $50-60... The 1947 is basically bullion.

Regarding wear to bullion level silver... I've traded in any number of AG-ish Barber halves that were down to 11.5g or even a bit less... i.e., they've lost up to 8-10% of their mass.

Generally, though, the melters buy U.S. scrap by the amount of face, not weight... so on those "slicks", you're actually getting OVER melt from the people who pay maybe "2x face" less than spot.
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 Posted 07/23/2011  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CPC24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even if it is bullion, it's more interesting than some generic round. Also, there's almost no wear on it. It's at least XF; it still has some luster under the toning. 1947 Balboas in the same condition can go for $40 or more on ebay. I'll hold on to it for a while.
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 Posted 07/23/2011  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CPC24 I am glad you are keeping it because I do not like to see coins melted.

But from a business standpoint (the shop I work for part time) - they can not afford to post a coin like this on ebay - too many fees and by the time you deduct the fees and losses on postal costs and time spent (about 25%) or $10 on a $40 sale - you are selling coins like an 1947 Balboa at the same as you get for selling them to a smelter - and with FAR LESS effort.

Over the counter sales do not warrant retaining a large stock of foreign coins - so they go the melt route more often than not.

realeswatcher The smelter here anyway buys based on weight and assay. He understands wear very well. The coin dealers often use a face value approach in buying coins to speed things up but they will set the rate 5-10% low to allow for actual wear. Anyone not taking wear into account (which actually averages about 4% based on what I have handled for the past 4 months - just over $8,000 face) is eliminating a big part of their potential profits.

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 Posted 07/24/2011  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bowfin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The store was selling it at $30, a bit below melt if I'm correct. Would it be worth it?


Assuming were talking the spot price of silver being $40. Yes, it is worth it.

Panamanian coins have the same weight and fineness as their U.S. counterparts. The Balboa is linked to the U.S. dollar one to one. U.S coins are legal tender there and circulate side by side with Panamanian coins.

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My 1973 90% Silver Panama Balboa Proof. Only 11,000 Minted. This one, I hope, will never be melted. One of my favorite coins !
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