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According to many posts I have read, it is possible to artifically tone a coin by heating it at very high temperatures. So what do you guys think if I heated a a thousand or so Jefferson nickels or Roosevelt dimes and AT them and then released them back into circulation?

During maple syruping season this year I plan to use that time to roll search a lot and while I am evaporating I will use my fire boxes to tone the coins. I know many think of this as damage, but I would search them first and tone the others.

What do you think? Should I AT a thousand nickels and release the back into the wild, or should I not because it's damage and somewhere down the road they might be worth something more?

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 You should, it would be cool to find them!
 No, its damage and you will ruin the coin.

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 Posted 07/16/2011  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to wonder what the point would be?

To generate questions?
To fool the uneducated?
Just to mess around?

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Just to mess around!
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I'm surprised to see that from you, you seemed like a numismatist...
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I am a numismatist! But the Gov't made hundreds of millions of these and it's going to take a lllooonnnggg time for them to be worth anything other than five cents. It's only a drop in the bucket and besides, why not?
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Depending on how you get rid of them, the bank may find them sort of "suspicious."
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I dunno it doesn't seem right, seems to lack accountability and integrity. As a numismatist, this is something I would never do, even the spirit of "fun," AT coins to fool someone clueless down the line into thinking they have some kind of rarity.

Rachums, I think you're just young and bored. Take it from me, such negative actions have payback, and we all know what payback can be. If you do this, keep it on the DL, most people wouldn't want to see a thread on this. Just my .02.
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I say don't do it.
But you can send me a quart of real syrup.
It's too the point where if the wife says let's go to Bob Evans I have to smuggle my syrup in
cause I can't use the corn syrup crap they have. Yeah off topic... sorry.
Real coins like real syrup... good..
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I say just as long as you don't melt it, no harm done.
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There are already so many people deceiving good decent numismatists on ebay. I'd hate to see an action start because of these being added to the demise of this hobby
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Quote:

I am a numismatist! But the Gov't made hundreds of millions of these and it's going to take a lllooonnnggg time for them to be worth anything other than five cents. It's only a drop in the bucket and besides, why not?


I don't think it matter how long it will be until the coins are worth something, I don't think you should mess with the coins. I like keeping nicely tones coins I find from circulation, assuming it is all natural. I think messing with the coins is not right and somewhat pointless. I don't like ruining coins no matter how much worth they have over face value or not, especially not in large quantities.
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 Posted 07/17/2011  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jarwulf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whatever, if you want to tone some coins its not like anyone would likely miss them out of the millions and millions unless you accidentally happened to throw in a rare variety. And its not like you're purposely trying to deceive anyone. I don't know much about artificial toning but I would assume it wouldn't be rocket science to distinguish these from normally toned coins so its up to Joe Blow to do his due diligence anyway.
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Ya whatever you do don't do a 64. I can't find any for my set.
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So...someone puts a coin on a fence post and lets it tone. Is that AT or natural?

A coin sits on the ground and tones. AT or natural?

A coin is left on a window sill to tone. Same question.

I find 'toned' coins all the time in rolls. Does it really matter how they got toned? How in the heck am I supposed to know whether the coin sat on a window sill on purpose or was left in a drawer or some sort of album?

I guess my point would be that there is no point in getting upset about someone wanting to tone some common nickels with heat. Coins get toned all the time, naturally and artificially. I am a numismatist, however I have a hard time believing that every numismatist must run around protecting pocket change from what may occur to it while in circulation.

Some of the most knowledgable numismatists I know dip coins, which takes off microscopic layers of the coin, thus altering it from its original state. That doesn't make them any less of a numismatist.

We're talking about common Jefferson nickels, not MS buffalos.

I must be biased, since I'm a libertarian, but I say go for it if that is what you want to do. We're only on this Earth once, and for a short time, so enjoy yourself.
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I voted no, however I see no problem if you want to anneal one of them and keep it. My biggest concern is someone getting them and then reaping mass profits from them on ebay or some other venue from uninformed buyers. It could be that beginning collectors would be the ones who loose in the long run from your experiment.
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 Posted 07/17/2011  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dumprat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is how I look at it - How long will coins be around? With Credit Cards taking over quickly and how big Google Checkout/PayPal can become, it could be within 25 years to 50 years. Part of Numismatics is that our job is to protect the history of coins (both current and past). Yes, the amount you are talking about is tiny in relations but that should not matter. This of course is just my opinion and does not matter much.
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