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Newbie Needs Help With 1804 Half Cent

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Hi all,

Aside from pulling out silver coins and wheat pennies, I haven't been much of a coin collector. My uncle recently passed away and found his coins. One, wrapped in paper, was a 1804 US Half Cent. I tried looking this coin up online, but there seem to be several varieties (Cohen 2, 3, ....) and I can't figure out what the difference is between the varieties, other than the obvious--my coin is "smushed" above the "RTY" in LIBERTY.

I've looked at several pictures and I can't discern a difference (other than the smush) between the varieties. Could someone explain what I am supposed to be looking for? I will post a picture once I read the string about taking pictures of coins--all of my attempts thus far aren't showing any detail. Once I master that, I'd like to figure out what kind of shape another of my uncle's coins is (1798 One Cent).

Many thanks for any insight.
-Matt
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There are many people who can help you here. The only way is if you post a pic.though.
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like others said
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The "smushed" RTY is a smoking-gun attribute, indicative of quite a rare variety for that year. This is the hallmark of C-2 in a late die state. Is there a die crack running down the right side of the obverse, possibly intersecting the bottom of the bust?

C-2 is a very important coin, one of the real "keys" to a Half Cent collection. I don't think as many as 25 examples are known. Pics are imperative - we need to identify this coin.
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I read the section on taking pictures of coins but had terrible results. I ended up scanning them and these are the results:
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Oops, here they are:



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"Is there a die crack running down the right side of the obverse, possibly intersecting the bottom of the bust?"

Is obverse the "heads" side?

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Yes, obverse is heads, reverse is tails.
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Your 1804 looks like a "Cohen Variety 9". Obverse 3, reverse E. Second most common variety.
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The Half Cent: From the scan it does look like a crosslet 4 leaning left. I cannot make out any die flaws in the date or liberty, other than the Cud. I do agree that it is a
Cohen - 9, possibly an early die state #4. It's a nice coin. I'd say good for the obverse, maybe VG if the coin shows some hair. The reverse is a VG and maybe more if the leaves show some detail.

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Both those coins are super coins to have.
Especially the early cent!
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Nice coins. I need to pick something like this up from my family members! Congrats
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