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Can Anyone Tell Me Anything About This Coin? | Ethiopia Birr

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I have had this coin for years and would like to know if anyone can tell me anything about it. I know it is Ethiopian but thats all. Whats it made out of? What year it might be? Any value?

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 Posted 08/09/2011  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmorgan22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date is 1892. I believe this is the denomination of 1 Birr, which would make it KM# 19. Not too sure, but if it is it should be 40mm in diameter and weigh 28.075 grams. Coin would be 0.835 silver. This coin would then have a mintage of 401,000. Value in Krause is XF=$265 and in UNC=$500. Nice coin! I hope it is authentic.
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 Posted 08/09/2011  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rolhalo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good to know. I just weighed it and it weighs about 28.2 grams. I don't know anything about grading but there are no scratches on it. Thanks for posting.
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Everything about the coins appears authentic. It's not uncommon for Ethiopian coins of this era to have slight variation in weight.
A practical auction value for this coin would be in the $200 to $250 range. However, in a retail situation you would be looking at the high end of the prices Morgan mentioned above.
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I know this is an old post ( being new I was just browsing). But on checking the photos I was intrigued by the coin. Have you looked at it under a microscope. I suspect you may find the fields are very "grainy". The reason I ask is because it may be a Matt proof. Krause for some reason only lists the standard proof Birr.... but there was also a matt proof produced( recorded in Gill} Value? if it is a matt proof then I believe it should be worth as much as the standard Proof(from memory US$1200). However because few catalogues' recognize it you can pick them up cheaply on occasion. I picked up a matt proof 2 years ago for €650.00.

Edit: just checked Gill (Dennis Gill, Coinage of Ethiopia, Eritrea, and Italian Somalia). In 1892...650 Standard proof coins were produced and only 500 matt proof examples were produced. So its value,IMHO, if indeed a matt proof, should be more than the Krause value for the normal proof ( Krause really does need to up date its world coins catalogue more often)

2nd edit: a matt proof is coming up for sale at Heritage:
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...otIdNo=95001
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Well I am surprised (pleasantly) The Matt Proof Birr sold for US$4000.00 ( With BP US$4700.00) yesterday
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Quote:
Well I am surprised (pleasantly) The Matt Proof Birr sold for US$4000.00 ( With BP US$4700.00) yesterday


A gorgeous coin, that one.....any idea how many were minted?
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500 of the matt proof, 650 of the ordinary proof. ordinary circulation strike 401,000
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It has been a while since I have been on here and just saw everyones posts. What exactly is a matt proof and how would I be able to tell between the two?
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The dies for a matt proof are prepared in the same manner as an ordinary proof except there is an extra final step when the die face is washed in Acid. If yours is a matt proof examine the field with a strong magnifying glass the field will have a uniformly grainy surface. Currently I am at the Summer seminar and I don't get back to Vienna for another week....once I'm back home I can take a close up of my Matt proof so you can do a comparison
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Great thanks. I look foreward to compairing the two.
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 Posted 07/13/2013  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rolhalo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Waiting for that close up..
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