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 Posted 08/11/2011  10:30 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rifleman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is it wrong to go to a coin shop and spent a half hour or so cherrypicking, and then not buy anything because the coins I was looking at were either overgraded, cleaned in some way, or just didn't have good eye appeal? Would the the dealer be right in getting testy about that? I mainly collect type coins. I try to stick with EF or AU that has not been cleaned, but not dirty either.

One time I asked to meet a person who claimed to have an EF Shield nickel, and it looked like only a Fine to me. I turned it down and he got testy because he made a special trip. I then bought it to save face.

I the case of a coin shop, I may sometimes buy something inexpensive so as to not leave the dealer empty handed, because he spent time showing me coins. Other times I don't.


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 Posted 08/11/2011  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would think it depends on whether you want to build a relationship with that coin dealer. You go into a dept store, or electronics store, and look around all you want. You have sales people show you products, and help you out, then leave without buying anything, if you don't find just what you want; what makes a coin shop different? I'd say it's the relationship with a dealer that you see talked about here all the time. Often, it seems there are folks that hang out at coin shops, become like groupies, and pick up both expertise, and anecdotal coin stories. Plus regulars often get good prices, and I've heard of dealers throwing in some freebies. Short answer, I guess it depends on what you want from your local dealer - dept store or friendly hangout.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess I can understand him getting annoyed, but really that's his business. It's not always great business to be in! But that's not your fault.

As for the Shield nickel, you're kind. I hope you got it for a good price.

I do the same. If I'm asking advice at a show or a shop about something I have or am thinking about, I'll often make a token gesture in the manner of a small purchase as my way of saying thank you.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think you should buy something because you feel guilty looking at his merchandise. Have you ever gone to a car dealer and looked at the cars? Did you feel guilty and buy one so as not to get the salesman mad?
Ever go to a place like Walmart and not buy anything? Or did you buy something so the salespeople wouldn't get mad.
People walk in and out of all kinds of stores all over the World and if they all bought something so not to make the owner mad or irritated, I guess the economy would be booming right now.
You should be able to go in and out of any coin store on Earth and look, look, look.
Think of it as if you were in a Museum. You go in and look, look, look and don't buy any old Egytian Mummies do you?
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 Posted 08/11/2011  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, but I was at the Field Museum in Chicago 2 weeks ago and I wanted to buy some of the Egyptian gold artifacts.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there are dealers that absolutely will not let you stand there and look through their coins cherry picking coins. Then they are those that really upset you by allowing you to cherry pick and then once you pick out the ones you want he makes you wait while he looks them up and raises the price because he now knows what they are. The first I can understand but the second I will not do business with
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 Posted 08/11/2011  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spaceace to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They usually don't have those egytian mummies for sale though....
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 Posted 08/11/2011  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You shouldn't be expected to buy anything, however I can see why a dealer would get a little testy because of this. I have worked on the other side of the counter and what most people in this thread are forgetting is that the type of merchandise here is the type that easily walks away when an unknown customer is left to view the items without supervision. Especially in this economy, thieves look for easy targets so the dealer would be prudent to watch an unknown customer cherrypick through his inventory. We had a guy do that for about 6 hours at our store one day, and he did make a purchase but only to the tune of about $10.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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They usually don't have those egytian mummies for sale though....

USUALLY?
That would indicate that sometimes.


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No, but I was at the Field Museum in Chicago 2 weeks ago and I wanted to buy some of the Egyptian gold artifacts.

Oddly enough when in Chicago you may have missed an oppurtunity to buy some. Not at the Museum but there is a place in the center of the City called Harln J. Berk on Clark Street. One half the store is coins, coin supplies and even stamps. The other half of the store is ancient stuff from all over the world. Might just have had some Gold coins and stuff from Egypt for sale. And nowing Chicago, if you knew the right people you could have bought one of the Mummies. I think they make them there.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree with Just Carl on this one. You should not feel obligated to buy, though I do understand the feeling. Kinda like saying thank you for being there.

Bryan; most states have commercial statutes which prevent a merchant from charging more than the sticker price. Even if that sticker is...say on a bin. As in "$15 ea.". They often have the right to refuse to sell, but different jurisdictions have different rules/laws; most requiring signage of some sort. Lol,of course you could sue, but in real life? I do what you do, I just don't do business with them and inform all my friends about their business practices.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rjkingston to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been in your situation. There are three coins shops near me that I've frequented. At the first shop they have a better selection, but the guy hovers near me as I look and then seems agitated when I ask him a question or if I don't make a purchase. Other two have been pretty patient in letting me look and answering questions whether or not it ends in a purchase. So even though shop number one has a better selection, they rarely get my business. Supplies, books and most coins are purchased at the other two shops.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If as you were going through the coins you brought up that coins individual issues, I couldn't see that the dealer should have a problem. Maybe that would give you an opportunity to negotiate on a price, taking into consideration that coin's issues.

On the otherhand I could see the dealer having an issues if you go through and pick out 20 coins and in re-examining each you put it back due to issues. The dealer may have felt he had a good sale on his hand and then it just disappeared.

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 Posted 08/11/2011  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add akane17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doing it once the dealer shouldn't get upset, he should be trying to earn your business. You walk into the store every week spending 30-40 minutes cherrypicking and not buying...different story.
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 Posted 08/11/2011  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Bryan; most states have commercial statutes which prevent a merchant from charging more than the sticker price.

I am not sure about that. I have never heard of a law saying someone Has to sell you something because its marked at that price, they can just say its marked wrong. Some places may sell it to you for that price but as far as I know there is no law saying a store has got to lose money on something just because someone made a mistake. But yeah its not worth the hassle trying to take it any further, I would probably have bought more in that one day than this guy sells all month in his little rinky dink shop. Maybe thats why he was bitter and trying to jack up the prices, they were getting ready to turn his lights off or something
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 Posted 08/11/2011  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In Michigan they have; "The Item Pricing act", and "The Shopping reform and modernization act".
Connecticut Gen Statute 42-115p. Massachusetts has its "Item Pricing Law" also 940CMR 3.13(I). Ohio has "The Consumers Sales Practices act". California Business and Professional code sections 17500-17509. A quick check shows at least 27 States and Territories have a specific pricing law. Most others have Consumer Protection Acts.

There is a clear difference between an error in price by an add in the paper that is attributable to a printer; and an in store pricing error. Mistakes in price outside of the Companies control are not usually binding upon the Company. Mistakes made internally are usually binding. But not always. IF one item of many similar items is miss-marked it is generally considered an honest mistake and not binding. If an entire display is miss-marked then it is generally considered binding.

Talk to anyone who has worked in Senior Management in Retail and they will tell you horror stories that deal with miss-marked merchandise. A marked price is a legally contracted offer to sell. Changing the price upwards after the buyer has agreed to purchase is Illegal. There are, of course, exceptions for actual mistakes. But ignorance of true value is not one of them. Again if you have a sign that says something along the lines of "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone..." then they can deny the sale, but leave themselves open to other legal recourse. Usually refusal to service claims are rooted in unruly customers. Most other causes are questionable at best. And heaven help you if the customer you refused was something other than a WASP.

Again I am not a lawyer. At one time I was a Regional Manager for a National Retail Establishment. As such I had to undergo extensive training in statute and case law, pertaining to my profession. And the above is my understanding of basic business practices and laws as instructed to me by our Corporate Lawyers.

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I just re-read my answer, and while I hold to it, I realize that it seems kinda dry, almost harsh. It is just my habit of being literal to questions. I don't MEAN to sound confrontational, but I guess it sounds like that sometimes. My apologies if my followup sounded that way.
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