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Proofs And Ms's

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Ok, here's a basic question that hopefully won't get me too ridiculed. I assume that the only way to grade things mint state or proof is where they were minted? I.E. you wouldn't see a coin that is a business strike from the same mint that does that coin in proofs? If so, how then do you tell the difference. Sorry, but I work 12 hour days and am relying on knowledge here to support me in my infancy stage of collecting, compared to doing a ton of research on the net.

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well for modern coins that applies but for early American coinage that is not the case, coins were minted Business strike and proof at the same mint. The way to tell is different with different series of coins and I really do not know where to start and it would take a book to explain each difference between each series
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The overwhelming majority of all US Proofs, of all denominations, have been minted in Philadelphia until the last 15 years. Beyond the fact that only a very poor proof looks as bad as the very finest MS Prooflike (a hint as to the reason for that term) specimens, the way to tell them apart is by using the work of collectors who came before you. For each series, someone, somewhere, has painstakingly recorded all the minor die variations which distinguish mint strikes from proofs. That knowledge is hard to come by for free, but always available somewhere.

And, to throw a wrench into the works, some business strike coins were minted using proof dies after they became to worn to produce acceptable proofs. Therefore, they have the same distinguishing marks as proofs.

There is an entire world of knowledge to acquire for each and every mintage, in order to become competent at discerning proofs from business strikes. This is not a hobby for the easily-discouraged researcher.
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Well I must say as a new collector, you guys and gals on this site are fantastic. I can see myself reading and using the "coin grading pracitce" forum as a tool to familiarize myself with the basics for sure. Every thread on the multiple forums have been very useful, especially coppercoins explanation of die varieties/errors. Lot's to learn and I got a late start at 36 years old. Thanks again for everyone's patience.
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You're quite welcome. Here at Coin Community, we like to consider ourselves one of the better manufacturers of coin collectors.
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