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Help Identifying An Old Galvano, Not Sure What It Is!

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 Posted 08/22/2011  9:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am seeking help from any and all who might be able to shine some light on this Galvano I picked up and have done some research and came up with a blank.

I believe the Galvano is from the early 1900's or older, I do not have any other definitive information, I feel it was/is a metal, I could be wrong, and again, would appreciate any positive information on this topic, Thanking you all in advance, Mike

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 Posted 08/22/2011  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whatever it is, it is beautiful!! Good luck.
Whats on the reverse?
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 Posted 08/22/2011  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse is partially filled with plaster, this is either the obverse or the reverse.It is half a coin/medal, actually looks foreign, I know it came out of an amazing collection, bought from the coin dealer/friend I know.
I am not sure exactly what it is, I would venture a guess that it is the reverse, because there is no date, or any other lettering to indicate even where it is from. Thanks for your kind words, actually besides the fact it is a Galvano, the art work sold me on the piece, you do NOT see designs like this on coins, metals, etc anymore on "modern coinage", just my opinion......
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 Posted 08/22/2011  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like it could possibly be a galvano/medal in celebration of the exploration and or the trade in africa. The globe, which is centered on Africa is surrounded with four women. The bottem woman looks to be African and the other three to be European/American. The woman on the very top has a compass in her and she seems to be surrounded by many of the things you would think of in "civilized" Europe.
Just trying to add to what you possible already may know and maybe help you with your research.
Could this possibly be an electrotype?
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 Posted 08/23/2011  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is pretty nice looking. Be nice to see some type of
U.S. high relief coin with this much detail etc.
I agree about the african thing on this.
Looks like it is in some sort of encasement ring.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Galvano - An epoxy coated plaster relief model of a coin created in order to produce master hubs, which in turn produce coin dies.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, I know what it is!

It is awesome!
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 Posted 08/23/2011  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The more I look at this, I feel it is surely much older than originally thought. I think the settling and progress in the continent of Africa is the theme also..... I think the figures are 3 females and the southern most figure is a male. Any others care to contribute?
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 Posted 08/23/2011  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fact that the lettering is in English makes me wonder about a British Empire connection.
Identification of the figure on the right would help.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice piece! The look/execution appears late 19th C. up to WWI, when art was largely a revival of earlier styles.
The figures perched on clouds, the rays above the Europe figure, and the overall style looks Italian.
But I'm unsure why Europe is put front and center, when the map doesn't look very accurate.
Too bad the designer's name is missing--that might help narrow down a particular medal.
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 Posted 08/23/2011  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Today I visited the dealer/friend who acquired this piece and was told he was asked to look at the "Rice collection" back in the early 70's the people who actually purchased the "Chapman collection", and this was one of 3 of the Galvanos he bought, I would of enjoyed seeing that collection, I am told it was massive!!
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 Posted 12/13/2011  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jonathanb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just noticed this post (better late than never) and I recognize this image EXACTLY. The was used to produce a large (2 7/8-inch wide, 1/4-inch thick) medal for the 1853 New York Crystal Palace.

What diameter is yours? A galvano would be expected to be much larger than the finished medal. Something in the 10-14 inch range would be likely. If yours is in the 3 inch range, then you don't have a galvano, but rather an exact-size shell that was produced for some other reason.

Pretty neat in any case!

What else does the dealer have? :-)

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 Posted 12/13/2011  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I appreciate all the input, Thanks SD for the message about this information.
I would say the piece I have is about 8+ inch's in dia and there is only the obverse, I am very thankful for everyone's input and NOW I have the answer to the puzzle I needed, again, Thanks, Mike..........PS, I thought this was older than I originally thought, and love it!!YOU would be surprised, what else he has!
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Johnathanb,
I appreciate your last piece to my puzzle, I checked the vault and apparently was thinking about another piece when I said the Galvano in question, was 8+ inchs in diameter, I measured the copper galvano and it is exactly 2 7/8" in dia and approx 1/4 inch thick.
I just have the front and would dis-agree with your statement about the piece I have "should" be larger, I have the piece and the back being hollow and apparently was filled with plaster-like material I believe this is the exact size of the original medal of which you show in your photos.

I know some of the galvano process and there is no reason this is or could not be the down to the original sized galvano which was used to prepare the final medal.

I thank you for the information you have given and again thank you for your input.To think the galvano is from 1853, or just before being that date is on the medal and I know it took time to prepare the medal, which means it could be an earlier then that date galvano.........

I would ask, is that your medal, is it a real medal or pictures of the same, I have, thanks to you, researched the crystal palace of New York, 1853, It seems the palace was a building for the nations of the world to show there minerals and precious stones and elements, while the palace was an extraordinary glass, steel pavilion it was opened in the year 1853 and lasted 6 years before a fire broke out, where the building was used for the storage of lumber to finish the remodeling and in less than 21 minutes, was leveled to the ground. I would appreciate any other information on this medal, thanking you in advance, Mike......
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 Posted 12/13/2011  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jonathanb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it sounds like yours and mine are the same size. Sorry, I was being a stickler on the word 'galvano'. As I understand it, a galvano -- as used in the production of dies for striking tokens and medals -- is much larger than the final piece, by definition. Either that, or I'm wrong. :-)

Even if I'm right, it doesn't make your item any less nice. I've seen similar one-sided pieces related to expositions in the late 1800s. Most of the ones I can think of offhand were award medals, where the awardee would get the original medal (normal medal, die struck on two sides), and then have one-sided replicas made to mount in a frame. That doesn't quite match yours, since it isn't technically an award medal, but more of a souvenir. It's possible that someone *did* use it as an award for something that isn't mentioned on the medal itself. Or maybe someone just liked the design and wanted to display it. We'll probably never know.

Yes, the pictures I posted are of a real medal that I have sitting on my desk right now. Unfortunately, I don't have a whole lot more information on it. There were about a half dozen significant medals produced for the 1853 New York Crystal Palace, and most of the *others* are at least signed by the artist. Having a signature on the medal gives a little more traction for further research. One of the other medals was struck at the US Mint, which means that it has a LOT of information on it, including exact mintage figures. This medal doesn't. Whenever a medal like this is sold, it tends to come with comments along the lines of "High quality medal from an unknown maker", which basically means, 'Isn't this neat? I don't know anything about it.' I agree with that, unfortunately including the 'I don't know anything about it' part.

So what else *does* the dealer have? If you share his contact info, maybe you can generate a bit of business for him...
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Johnathan, My friend.dealer has been into coins for the last 50+ years, being 73+ years young.
I find the time to listen to him speak about the old days, the people he has met and the collections he has seen, all over the globe, I am fortunate to have him in my life and the education that he has in his words alone are very informative, to say the least.

I would say he is also a very 'old school" numismatist, he does not come into change easily and his 'kind' is almost all gone, being he speaks of John Ford, and plenty of the more known collectors and their ways of doing things.

He was into foreign for a very long time which afforded him a certain type person coming to him to assist in the catalog portion of the hobby, IF I could know half of what he has forgotten, I would be doing very well indeed.

I am lucky he has people coming everyday to his shop with some of everything you can imagine and being I collect plenty, he puts certain things aside for me to have first crack at them and this IS not an everyday event in the world today.

I have plenty of my collection due to him, and ranging from one type to most of anything you might have yourself, meaning I collect more than the average person, have been since 1963 and still going and loving it.
As far as what he has, I see plenty of things that you nor I would see in most places, he has plenty of foreign, which I am not all that thrilled about, other than the occassional peice or two, he is a main source of my Morgan/Peace dollar selection, I buy everyone he shows me, most in EF-AU and the GSA'S are also close to my heart, which he has plenty of original government packaged CC'S and other coinage.

I attend a show he is in every other weekend, 26 shows a year and know almost all the vendors from knowing him, I do NOT think he wants to move things any faster than he does, he has plenty of repeat customers like my self which keep him looking out for many things, he has much more than the coins and stamps, magazines, hummels, bottles, and most every other collectable you could imagine, actually picture walking back in time say to the 60's, that would be his shop.........Be Well, Mike......
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