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Rest in Peace
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Poll Question
Just curious, where do PM bugs fit?
Feel free to expand and expound in comments.
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Valued Member
United States
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ive been stacking PMs and collecting coins for about 5 years now; however I really think I'm on the opposite political spectrum of most stackers. I'm a left wing liberal socialist treehugger who thinks social rights trump fiscal conservatism..... while I agree our spending is out of control etc, I think we as a people have a MORAL OBLIGATION to provide safety nets for the poor and needy, for example imo universal healthcare should be a right not a privilege.
my opinion on small goverment is very simple. A goverment can only be as small as its people are moral. americans have very low morals imo and this leads to all the regulation that must be put in place in order to protect the little guy from getting taken advantage of. if we all played by the rules we wouldnt need all the regulation that is in place. In an ideal world, we could have a super small goverment, but it is NAIVE to think that we as a people would just play nice without regulation in place... Heck if we played by the rules and were truly concerned with others, there would be no need to attempt to preserve wealth through PM.
anyhow /rant off. thank you for letting me voice my opinion. we liberal stackers make up a small % of stackers it seems....
on a sidenote, even though we might have different reasons for stacking, I think the underlying principle is the same, to protect our wealth against fiat money.
feel free to flame away, I enjoy a good discussion on topics such as this
Edited by algol
08/30/2011 1:43 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Would be happy to vote if the site would allow me to do so. Each time I vote it tells me I cannot see the results without voting first. Hmmm... In any case, I would be a fiscal conservative.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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this leads to all the regulation that must be put in place in order to protect the little guy from getting taken advantage of So I'm from the government and I'm here to help you  |
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Pillar of the Community
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I guess if I have to classify myself I am more in the middle but I do believe that the US Constitution should continue to guide our country. So,from a monetary view I believe in hard asset-backed currency.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Voted not sure, as I'm not clear what those categories mean; how about YOUR definition of what is fiscally conservative, liberal? Is that like save or spend? In most areas, I find I'm OTHER, meaning too lazy to do anything, and hope all ends well. When my company was doing FMP (Force Management Plan) and RIF (Reduction in Force), they brought in financial planners (Hewitt, I think) to discuss what you should do with 401(k)'s and such, and I remember one of the alternatives was 'do nothing'. Always my favorite. |
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"for example imo universal healthcare should be a right not a privilege."
I find that a lot of people do not have any sort of understanding as to what a "right" is. First generation rights, "inalienable rights" or "natrual rights" are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They are not your by any legal act. They just are, either by divine fiat or by nature or brute fact or whatever. Notice that they line up with the ancient way of thinking about man. (e.g. life=spirit, liberty=soul, freedom of will, pursuit of happiness=property, tools of trade, how we work to get our bread).
Once you start getting into second, third and fourth generation rights, who knows where you are. Maybe we have a right to a cloud in the sky or even 100 oz. of gold for everybody. If you can make a legal right why not?
I had a talk with a guy at work the other day. He said health care was a right. I asked him what would happen if you were in the desert and your leg got cut off. He said you would die. I told him that probably means that health care is not and can not be a right, what you really mean when you are saying right is social responsibility.
You don't need a very large government to protect people's life, liberty and property. It is really pretty simple.
We have a term in IT. It is called scope creep. That is why goverments get large.
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Valued Member
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allranger, you are correct. I shouldnt have used the term 'right', social responsibility is a much better term. Thank you for the correction.
I only used the health care as an example that morality of a society has a lot to do with the size of government. I also agree that you dont need a very large government to protect people, Until you get the point that every single person is trying to take advantage of the system. Then a society is forced to regulate and create rules/laws to protect the people that are being taking advantage of.
For ex. Ron Paul wants to get rid of the EPA, dept of education, and FDA etc. Do we really need these? No we dont if companies would make safe products. However that is not the case and probaly never will be the case. Therefore we are forced to create extraneous agencies to monitor the quality of products/services.
Its unfortunate that our society through lack of morals and compassion have ended up in such a convoluted mess. Oh well thats where PM/guns/food come in I guess.......
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Pillar of the Community
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more and more difficult to stand on one side of the line versus another as the issues get further and further away from the "first generation rights"
I would will side with health care being a right (that dude in the desert would not / should not be dead if there are people, a city, a hospital around. Additional rights come with the complexities we built around ourselves. You would have to live isolated if you want to ignore these "2nd, 3rd, 4th generation rights). But, scope creep... still unsure if that is for the better or worse in the end.
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I don't know maybe since I like new cars it should be a right too. After all I can't make a living without one.
I just want what the other guys has sounds fair to me.
Closer to a conservative financial person I guess.
Can't figure out why health care should be a right. Can't figure out why some one else has to pay for this right either.
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if we all played by the rules we wouldnt need all the regulation that is in place. Even as a kid, I figured out we have millions of laws, most of which are already covered by the Ten Commandments. They in turn, are unnecessary if we obey the Golden Rule, some variant of which is basic in almost every religion. Ahia legislators were recently shocked that we didn't have a specific law forbidding sex with animals. Do we really need such a law? |
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Rest in Peace
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Can't figure out why health care should be a right. Can't figure out why some one else has to pay for this right either. BOING! It started with employers paying for health care, so they had employees capable of working. Why not pay their car insurance, so they have a way to work? House insurance, so they can sleep somewhere? etc etc. |
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I remember one of the alternatives was 'do nothing'. Always my favorite. Clearly, you were never a Navy man, Jack. Their teaching is, "DO SOMETHING, EVEN IF IT IS WRONG!". Their theory is that inaction is almost always wrong while action is only sometimes wrong. They are playing the better odds! Quote:
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Try this: Not necessary, Fredd. I build and maintain my own PCs and have for decades. I use the CC and Wise registry cleaning programs regularly. Problem was NOT on this end. Other polls on this site worked fine... but not this one. Quote:
Even as a kid, I figured out we have millions of laws, most of which are already covered by the Ten Commandments.
They in turn, are unnecessary if we obey the Golden Rule, some variant of which is basic in almost every religion. The problem is this: those of us who KNOW how to behave and who do so routinely must share this world with a lot of others who do not. Hence, we have laws. I like the start of the Hippocratic Oath that says, "First, do no harm". That's a pretty darned good beginning. Quote:
We have a term in IT. It is called scope creep. That is why goverments get large. That's another way of saying "empire building". Unfortunately, there are a lot of frustrated little emperors out there who keep doing this, to the detriment of all. Quote:
Ron Paul wants to get rid of the EPA, dept of education, and FDA etc. Do we really need these? No we dont if companies would make safe products. However that is not the case and probaly never will be the case. Agreed... in part. If we had a system wherein companies HAD to be responsible for their actions, including their products, emissions, etc., individuals could pursue them in court to gain redress without having a HUGE bloated government with millions of rules, laws, and regulations. Needless to say, corporate excesses should be hideously expensive for companies that abuse people and the environment... and I mean expensive to the point of ruining the company financially, not just some token fine. None of this "we didn't do anything wrong but here is a bunch of money to stop hassling us" nonsense. |
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Reagan Conservative
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Posted 08/30/2011 1:49 pm
