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Anyone know where RAM annual reports for years before 2000-2001 can be found?
Also, is there any easy way to see the records for the Sydney, Melbourne and Perth mints?
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There is no easy way to see the records for the 3 mints. IIRC the records were never complete, many were disposed of over the years (especially when the mints closed) and the remainder are locked away (mostly in the Canberra mint). That is why for example its hard for researchers to work out the details of the 1930 penny.
Some records are indirectly available such as the research of Bill Mullett (The Mitchell Library in Sydney has copies and some of the other state libraries may also).
The National library in Canberra may well have all the Canberra Mint annual reports as publishers are supposed to send an example of each publication there.
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Unfortunately it is hard to find any information online for annual reports and Australia's currency. The Royal Australian mint are quite tight with sharing information, there site only covers a few years annual reports as they are only required to save up to seven years information for tax purposes.
Even the Australian statistics page covers up to 2002, and they just copy the RAM from the RAM site.
The easiest thing to do is get an Australian coin book.
I use 2010 Australian coins and banknotes by Greg McDonald.
Or if you want to know one or two specific coin mintages just ask on this forum and someone will tell you the figures.
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I suspected that could be the case.
I was mostly curious about where the coin books get their information which doesn't always seem to be accurate, but I was also looking for some information on the 1983 and 1984 20c pieces (how do we know they were melted and just how many were melted?).
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Most coin books say almost the entire production of 20c 1983 & 1984 coins was melted down and exported as base metal Cupro-Nickel bars, as there was no economic demand for them through the reserve bank.
Which is true, but they don't tell you that the reserve bank determines how many coins go into circulation while in a vault somewhere the surplus just sits there until there is a need to put them into circulation. In essence the RAM just produces so many million coins and then the reserve bank buys them to put them into circulation, the stuff that was melted down was the stuff sitting in the vault; there were no coins that were supposed to go into circulation as the reserve bank didn't do a currency determination to specify a number.
They kept $200 worth of 20c for each year "exists in mint rolls"
Plus there are coins that are in mint sets and proof sets.
Although the myth is that a mint roll was accidentally broken and they were put into circulation.
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Yes, I've read about the mint rolls. Do you know the circumstances of their discovery and what happened to them?
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I don't believe that the mint has them stashed away in a vault somewhere as they clear it out every few years with one of there inventory auctions, they were most likely sold on to a private collector.
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There are a lot of mintage mistakes in Macca's. I find errors in almost everything in there that I research. For earlier information such a guide is the only information available.
I have found that Greg has mistakenly overwritten corrected information with previous years info so it's worth checking different editions. I usually notify Greg of the errors that I find.
If you have a read of old ACR magazines they often have Mint reports which give mintage numbers. Trouble is mintages are made up of numbers of 2 or more years and you don't always know what happened back then.
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Sorry for offtopic, but when should we expect Annual Report 2010/11 to be posted?
Thanks!
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I don't believe that the mint has them stashed away in a vault somewhere as they clear it out every few years with one of there inventory auctions, they were most likely sold on to a private collector. Yes, I imagined they would have come to light at an auction. What's the story with these inventory auctions though? Quote:
There are a lot of mintage mistakes in Macca's. Where abouts? For decimal I'll probably go with the RAM website, but are there any pre-decimal mistakes? Quote:
when should we expect Annual Report 2010/11 to be posted Someone said September. I think one of the ones of the RAM site is dated September 6th of whichever year. |
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Last auction at the mint >> 2009 http://www.ramint.gov.au/media/noti...20090902.cfmI found a mistake with 2010 Australian Coins and Banknotes by Greg McDonald, pg126 20c federation coins do not have "plain edge" Reeded mate! Mintages are always a guess in the books as they use the mints records which are spread over 2 different annual reports, and I'm pretty sure that the mint doesn't count every single coin anyway; it's all done in batches by a machine. 2000-01 Annual Report http://www.ramint.gov.au/about/comp..._reports.cfmThe only mintage you can be sure of was the 2001 Don Bradman "At the governments request a special distribution of 10 million 20c coins" pg 13 |
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Last auction at the mint >> 2009 That's interesting. So the excess stock ends up back at the mint then? And would the 1983 and 1984 20c pieces have been melted at the mint? |
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I doubt that the coins were melted at the mint, the mint don't even make there own blanks. http://www.ramint.gov.au/faq/The mint doesn't take back coins that have been made for circulation. The only coins that the mint has returned to them are uncirculated collector coins from Australia post: Australia post promotional period is usually 12 months which after that time unsold products will be sent back to the mint to be on sold to dealers with the Royal Australian Mint. The mints auctions are usually excess stock that dealers didn't pre order, or items that were minted that didn't pass quality control and were error coins, and just old items that were on display but are no longer wanted. |
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the mint don't even make there own blanks Was there a time when they did? |
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I found a 1983 20c in circulation several years ago
Off topic sorry
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