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Clearwater posted in the other thread that the ASE set consists of 1 American Silver Eagle Proof Coin, 1 American Silver Eagle Uncirculated Coin and 1 American Silver Eagle Reverse Proof. Is there a difference between buying each coin individually and buying them altogether as a set? |
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Bedrock of the Community
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yes, the Reverse proof isn't available by itself and thus making this one coin become a key coin for the series, the Uncirculated coin and the proof coin are available by them self but the reverse proof is the one that makes the set worth buying
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The regular proof and unc eagle are the only ones that can be purchased separately. The reverse proof is only available in the set with 250,000 total minted.
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If you buy them as a set, and don't open the box, then you can get them graded as an anniversary set with the little black label on them. This will make them more valuable in the future. As was stated, the Unc. and Proof coins can be bought separately. The reverse proof can only be bought with the set. So if you open the box then you would only be able to get the reverse proof graded as 20th anniversary. Not the other two coins. I think this is where the valuable coins will be in the future. The graded sets.
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If you buy them as a set, and don't open the box, then you can get them graded as an anniversary set with the little black label on them. This will make them more valuable in the future.
Maybe, if you are one of the lucky few that get a perfect MS-70 or PR-70 returned otherwise your coin(s) will simply join the thousands of slabbed 68's and 69's already out there. Repeating myself, I feel that in the future, the most sought after, will be the treasure hunt for one of the few rare, remaining true (un-opened) original sets that may hold one of those perfect specimens. Time will tell.  Edited by SE
12/09/2006 08:27 am
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SE, I think you are correct on your statement, but you will have to get it graded in order to find out. That's the catch 22. You have an unopened box, which may be a 70 set or a 69 or a 68 (yuck!), but you can only guess unless you do something about it. But, someone else would probably pay you a lot of money for the chance to find out. it depends on why you bought the set and why you didn't open it. Too many questions to be able to answer, right? Hahahaha. But I still think that the number of graded sets with the black label will be a small percentage of the total 250,000 mintage (as I said, a lot of people opened them to see them or without knowing what the consequences of opening them were). The supply and demand aspect of it would make those more valuable, even if they are 68/69's. It will be interesting to see the population reports whenever they become available on both the ASE and AGE 20th anniversary sets. Then we will be able to get a better idea of potential future value. This is all conjecture right now, but it kind of cool to talk about.  |
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Maybe, if you are one of the lucky few that get a perfect MS-70 or PR-70 returned otherwise your coin(s) will simply join the thousands of slabbed 68's and 69's already out there. Repeating myself, I feel that in the future, the most sought after, will be the treasure hunt for one of the few rare, remaining true (un-opened) original sets that may hold one of those perfect specimens. Time will tell
You know the other problem with this, which is great if you can do it. But most people ordered more than I set, so in essence you will have multiple sets in an unopened box, which increases you chances. Do you really sell that chance to someone? Not unless you have a couple more boxes on the side or you already have your graded MS/PR 70. |
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thats why I ordered all of mine in 2 sets per order, I paid a little more for shipping but I can send 2 sets at a time to the TPG to be graded with the 20th anniversary labels and not have to send all of the sets at once |
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thats why I ordered all of mine in 2 sets per order, I paid a little more for shipping but I can send 2 sets at a time to the TPG to be graded with the 20th anniversary labels and not have to send all of the sets at once
You know what, that never cross my mind. Must have known to do it this way from a previous experience huh. But now I know and "And knowing is half the battle," G.I. Joe |
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thats why I ordered all of mine in 2 sets per order, I paid a little more for shipping but I can send 2 sets at a time to the TPG to be graded with the 20th anniversary labels and not have to send all of the sets at once
But if you can only afford two sets, then you would want to order them individually so you could keep one opened (if you wanted to) and ship the other off to be graded. If you have two in one box, then you HAVE to send them both to get either one (or in this case both) graded. |
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Here's a thought. How far down the road do you think they will drop their restrictions on only grading un-opened boxes from the mint to get the labels? Or how long before another of the TPG's starts offering the same service for any of the sets un-opened or opened? |
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thats why I ordered all of mine in 2 sets per order, I paid a little more for shipping but I can send 2 sets at a time to the TPG to be graded with the 20th anniversary labels and not have to send all of the sets at once
But if you can only afford two sets, then you would want to order them individually so you could keep one opened (if you wanted to) and ship the other off to be graded. If you have two in one box, then you HAVE to send them both to get either one (or in this case both) graded.
well that wasn't a problem at the time of order and I ordered 20 sets, 10 for my address and 10 at my aunts which is next door |
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Here's a thought. How far down the road do you think they will drop their restrictions on only grading unopened boxes from the mint to get the labels? Or how long before another of the TPG's starts offering the same service for any of the sets unopened or opened?
I don't think that will happen since you can purchase two of the coins separately. There is no way of knowing, 100%, that those coins came from the three coin set unless the TPG gets them unopened. If another company decides to do what you suggest, I would bet it would be a lower on the rung company, but I would be surprised (but I guess I should never be surprised what some of these greedy companies will do to make a buck off unsuspecting collectors). I saw a coin seller on ebay selling a three coin gold anniversary set with only the gold reverse proof with the blue 20th anniversary label. The other two coins had regular NGC labels. And 18 people had bid it up to over $6,000! That's what a full three set blue label 70 set is going for! Let the buyer beware! |
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I saw a coin seller on ebay selling a three coin gold anniversary set with only the gold reverse proof with the blue 20th anniversary label. The other two coins had regular NGC labels. And 18 people had bid it up to over $6,000! That's what a full three set blue label 70 set is going for! Let the buyer beware!
Yeah, I saw it too, here it is http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-W-Gold-Eag...70_W0QQitemZ140060641189QQihZ004QQcategoryZ39483QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Good example of why you need to be a informed buyer. My question is this: Could the seller just show the consecutive "serial numbers" to show they were all graded at the same time with the "reverse proof to confirm 20th anniversary set with out the pedigree?" Edited by kg2blade
12/12/2006 09:58 am
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Originally posted by Guido
I saw a coin seller on ebay selling a three coin gold anniversary set with only the gold reverse proof with the blue 20th anniversary label. The other two coins had regular NGC labels. And 18 people had bid it up to over $6,000! That's what a full three set blue label 70 set is going for! Let the buyer beware!
Yeah, I saw it too, here it is
http://cgi.ebay.com/2006-W-Gold-Eag...70_W0QQitemZ140060641189QQihZ004QQcategoryZ39483QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Good example of why you need to be a informed buyer. My question is this:
Could the seller just show the consecutive "serial numbers" to show they were all graded at the same time with the "reverse proof to confirm 20th anniversary set with out the pedigree?"
No, because the TPG has no way of knowing if those two coins actually came as a part of the set or were purchased separately and then included. Without them actually opening the box, they will not give those other two coins the special labels. |
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Not trying to be smart here, but what does it matter if the Proof and the UNC came with the set? From what I understand, they all were hit by the same dies....... If I wanted a "70" set, I would be fine with either, and the reverse proof would always have the black label. Plus, do not think that the all black label sets came in the same box. They put sets together from different boxes. So, whats the big deal... I personally know of one set that was opened, then retaped with security tape, sent and graded...Now, do you really KNOW those TPG sets are original? NO.... I also think in the distant future, you will see the TPG's grade 20th sets that were opened.. MM  |
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