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 Posted 09/16/2011  11:29 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jedichef to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've heard that all the folders (pop-in/out style) out there are not acid free and WILL eventually cause the damage to coins that I'm sure most of us have seen at one point or another...my question is, is there any amount of time where coins can be safely stored in a folder before damage occurs? I have been using folders for my coins for a few years (before I heard all the horror stories) and still use them for sets that I'm building. I liked them because they were easy to store on my bookshelf and provided quick and easy access to coins as I built the sets. and they were inexpensive. Am I to assume that both Whitman and Littleton brands are both liable to cause acid-related damage with long-term storage? I use both, as I wasn't always able to find the book I needed in a particular brand. I've been thinking of switching over to binders to replace the folders. is there a safe, economical route I should consider? I want easy access, easy shelf storage, and something that won't totally kill my budget. I don't need super fancy, high-end binders with any bells and whistles. thanks for reading this whole, long-winded thing.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add startabe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no idea but whats best to store coins in then? sorry to jump in
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 Posted 09/16/2011  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just came across some old Harris cent folders I've had since the 80s. Fortunately I don't have anything valuable in them. I popped a few out and have noticed that the backs of some of them have become discolored from contact with the back of the folder for the last 25 years or so. I've heard Dansco's are safe, but I don't have personal experience with them.

Switching to binders would be a good substitute. Just get a cheap one at the store and buy some of the pages intended to hold slides. DO NOT put the coins directly into those pages, put them in 2x2's first.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the coins are pocket change/roll finds, there is really nothing wrong with folders. I think most collectors got their start with a Lincoln or Jefferson folder, I had both of them when I started out at the ripe old age of 7 However, I would never use them for more expensive collector-grade coins.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jedichef to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i should add that all the coins in the folders are found in circulation. all my pretties are in 2x2s and have unfortunately uglier siblings in the folders (when duplicates are available, of course)
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 Posted 09/16/2011  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ljenkins990 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the coins are pulled from circulation and are just plain old "everyday" coins, then folders will be fine. But anything really nice, and anything generally considered collectable, need to be in an album for ling-term storage. I'm a Dansco fan myself but there are several other manufacturers. Even really really nice circulated coins will eventually degrade in folders, but if it's just short-term storage you should be OK. I'd never never EVER put a proof coin of any sort in a folder, though.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no problem putting plain old everyday circulation coins in my Dansco albums.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add startabe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what should coins be stored in then? I have mine in glass jars and plastic childrens egg shells at the moment.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jedichef to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
my old uglies are in folders as I try to build sets...i haven't completed any one set yet, but when I do, they'll probably go into a dansco or 2x2 holder binder. my bulk coins go in coin tubes. I've had to resort to prescription bottle containers at the moment while I wait for a large order to arrive from valley coin. I actually store my ikes in large prescription bottles as they happen to fit perfectly. my huge stash of wheats and old nickels are rolled and stored in the coin boxes from which they were pulled. I also store my tubes and 2x2s in coin boxes. easy to stack and put away.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timsumrall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are folders and there are albums.

Folders are inexpensive but leave your coins touching the paper and over-exposed to the elements (air and moisture) They look kind of cheap. Great for start ups and maybe extras if that's all you had.

Albums are more expensive and protect the coins with clear sheet after the coins are inserted in the holes. They look better too. All the mayor brands will work well but I heard the the Whitman Albums are easier to use. Dansco is likely the most popular (they do look nice).

Both these are less flexible than I like so I use 2x2 holders in 5x4 binder page. I can set up my collection the way I want. For nice extras I just start another binder. This method is not too expensive and very safe. Some even go the extra mile and use airtights in the 2x2's. I simply use the self sealing kind (love the no staple look).

I think the more attractive it is to YOU is important regardless of what that is as it tends to keep you motivated. Pick a method...do it well!
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I think the more attractive it is to YOU is important regardless of what that is as it tends to keep you motivated. Pick a method...do it well!
I agree. You have to do what makes you happy or you miss the point of the hobby (or any hobby). It is good to get advice, but make sure that you will be happy with what you finally choose to do.
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The vast majority of my collection is in coin envelopes. The best coins are in a cabinet - a coin cabinet made from mahogany. I have never bothered with albums at all.
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 Posted 09/16/2011  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've explained this several times on this forum and sure wish I knew how to find them all. Regardless, here is some of the problems with Folders.
1. Ever notice how difficult it is to put most coins in those slots? When the cardboard for those slots is produced, the slots are made tapered. The slots are smaller at the top than at the bottom. This is why when you finally get a coin in, it sort of smaps in place.
This forces people to push with thumbs, fingers and I knew a person that used a rubber hammer to get the coins into those slots.
2. Every time you open a Folder, you risk spitting, sneezing, coughing on them. Not only from you but anyone else in the area.
3. Every time you open a Folder you risk damage due to something falling on a coin.
4. If not deep enough into the slot, the paper from the folded over page can rub against those type of coins.
5. If dropped many coins tend to fall out of those slots and can fall on a floor.
6. Is the worst part of a Folder. That shinny stuff on the rear of the slots is glue left over from the manufacturing process. Kids usually like that since they usually find out that spitting on a well worn coin will reactivate the glue and help keep the coins in place.
When you see or find a coin with darkened streaks on the reverse it very well could be from a Folders glue. The process for putting glue on those sheets is a streaking method not a washing type so as to save on quantities of glue.
Regardless of if you are a serious or amatuer collector, it is just not the best place for your coins.
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 Posted 09/17/2011  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jedichef to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just carl, I agree with most of what you said...
1: whitman uses that "tapered slot" method. I hate it. littleton doesn't. I don't know about harris, never used them.
2: not a big concern for me as all the coins in my folders have been through worse (all from circulation, none are exceptionally nice)
3: again, not MS pieces I have in here. and I don't open my folders in construction zones or rock fall areas, so not much of an issue for me. ;-)
4: the littleton ike folders are very shallow. this definitely happens for this particular set. not sure about whitman or harris.
5: no argument here. lesson: don't drop your coins. ;-)
6: I don't spit on my folders.

of course, this is only my take on the issues you brought up, and they are of course valid arguments against folders. like I said, I only have my ugly circulated coins in here and only until I complete a set, then they'll go into something a little more secure. but I think it's a good set of points to show others who might be contemplating using it for a serious set of coins. I would also advise against folders for nice coins.
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I have an old Whitman folder from the 50's for a G-VG collection of IHCs that I put together in the late 70s. There is about 35 different dates in there, with some better dates. I popped out the 1870 last week and the reverse looks pretty much the same as when I bought it more than 30 years ago. The glue on the back has gotten very dry and somewhat brittle, and has not affected the reverses. As it was my first foray into the world of coin collecting, my strong sense of nostalgia (I got my coin collecting merit badge with it) for this folder overrides any sense of preservation I might have if these were MS or modern proof coins. Folders seem to be a thing of the past, most collectors are now condition conscious, so albums are the way to go for the better classic coins or for higher grade coins. I personally use labelled 2x2s for common coins, Air-Tites for silver/gold/rare minor coins, and coin tubes for bulk rolls.
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 Posted 09/26/2011  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinNut66 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a follow-up question to this discussion regarding coin storage. I've recently inherited a collection and want to repackage some of the coins that have been poorly preserved. Sorry if these are basic questions but I am new to the field of numismatics:

1- What is an "Airtight"? (referenced earlier in this discussion)
2- What is the difference between a "flip" and a "2x2"?

Thanks in advance to the forum for your answers...
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