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Need Help Grading 1893-S Morgan Dollar

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I have a 1893-S Morgan silver dollar. I am fairly new to collecting and am not versed in grading. Your expert opinions are welcomed and appreciated. From looking at other coins and grading information I feel the coin may be G4, possibly better or worse?


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Close to VG-8 IMO, but barely misses it. G-6++. I can't chime in on authenticity as I don't know this series well.
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I agree with SC on the grade, G6. Slightly stronger than G4. Honest wear as well as originality, would lead me to believe the coin is authentic, plus, nice rims.
I'm sure Super will chime in soon
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 Posted 09/18/2011  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris12018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G4-G6 Still a nice piece.
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I am also on board the G-6 assessment.
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Raw 1893-s morgans are always looked at with caution because of a high number of counterfeits. This one is extremely attractive and original looking for the wear, and I agree with a nice G-6 on this one. The coin itself looks authentic to me, but someone could have professionally added a mm, so it really needs to be certified.
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Thank you all for your input. Numismatist looked at the coin and confirmed it was genuine, though would not issue a grade without paying a fee. So, you all are thinking a firm G6, that is close to what I was thinking. I have another question, from the photos does it appear this coin was cleaned? I am thinking about having the coin graded by "ICG" since they are local to my town and wont have to ship the coin. Thanks again to everyone for all your help!
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Icg is a good company, lack of registered shipping will save you a bunch!
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You're aware what this coin is worth, right?

It needs to be in a slab. By all means, give it to ICG. Although they're considered the "lesser" of the major TPG's due to the perception of occasionally overgrading, their authentication skills are not questioned by anyone in numismatics. If ICG says it's real, it's real. Any potential buyer for a coin that's worth $2,000 in G6 is going to be grading it with their own eyes, anyways - the number on the slab won't matter, just the authentication.

I just worry that the marks on the obverse - in front of the lips and above the first right star - might cause it to be given a "Details" grade for damage.
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Definitely slab this coin. ICG would be fine. If you ever plan to sell, the holder with TPG authentication will make the coins sale go much more smoothly ;)
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Thanks for the input, I think I will go over to ICG this week and have the coin sent for grading. As SuperDave mentioned, I'm hoping it does not get dinged for the blemishes near the lips and star on the obverse. The one thing I do like about ICG, other than having an office near me, is their holders are very nice. I think I'm going to pay for the 5 day for $25, cause any longer and the suspense will kill me, lol. I will hope for a solid G6. On a side note, I know they only used one die for the 1893-S, but are there any VAM's for this coin? If so, what is the most rare, and would ICG look for VAM? Thanks again for all your input. Lastly, to be honest I had no idea in this condition it would be worth $2,000+, that is music to my ears!
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I love the design and security of ICG's holders. Like PCGS but a little smaller with those cool indents near the top.
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A single obverse die was used, but there were two reverses. Therefore, two VAMs for the date, neither of which make a difference in the value. Yours is VAM-1.
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Very nice coin, let us know when you get it back!
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Thanks for the VAM info. I will be sure to upload photos when I get it back, hopefully sometime next week. I cant thank you all enough for your knowledge and help. The last question I have, and I'm not sure if you can tell from photos, but has this coin been cleaned? I am not the only owner, I know I have not cleaned it and it does not show characteristics of a cleaned or whizzed coin, though again I'm a newbie and no expert. Thanks!
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I usually make mention of the contrast between relatively-clean fields and darker areas around the letters/devices when discussing signs of cleaning, but the more circulation a coin sees, the more likely this effect is to be natural. I don't believe your coin has been cleaned.
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