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Early Chinese Cash Coin ID | Copper Replica Of Iron Coin

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 Posted 09/18/2011  8:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sunshine293 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I believe the characters read (top, bottom, left, right) chia, lung, t'ung, ting, but that's just from the research I've done. I could be completely off.

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If you know of any good books or websites for coins like these, please let me know. Thanks

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 Posted 09/18/2011  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rdwarrior to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 09/18/2011  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DCH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it's a fake of a Southern Song coin.
Emperor Ning Zong, Jai Ding Long Bao clockwise.
This should be a large Iron coin.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sunshine293 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could be wrong (probably am) but it appears to be genuine. It's 11.9g and 33mm and I'm not sure how to determine its metal content. Is there a good book on old Chinese coins like this?
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 Posted 09/19/2011  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sunshine293 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Iron is magnetic and this coin is not magnetic.. Oh well, it's fake. I'd still like to find a good book on Chinese coins like this one. And thanks for your help.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, sorry, but as far as I can tell, these coins were only cast in iron. Iron (a) is magnetic, and (b) turns rusty red-brown, rather than green.

As for books, I have two. Krause Publication's "Chinese Cash" by David Jen has too many errors and omissions for me to recommend it (unless they've issued newer editions which fixed the problems up). I'm still reading through my just-bought copy of "Cast Chinese Coins" by David Hartill; it seems better and more comprehensive (this particular coin, for instance, is listed in Hartill but not in Jen), but the lack of a price guide is its main drawback.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Schjoth-Chinese Currency- lists all the issues with the clockwise legend as Iron coins. These coins also have a mintmark at the top of the Reverse, and the reign year at the bottom. Iron coins appear black, or rusted. They are not common now, although they were when issued.
The copper issues of this reigh title have regnal yerar at the top, but they are all Top-Bottom-Right -Left. I have not consulted any of my Chinese texts, but I agree that thios is a fake.
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Thanks for the info. I've ordered David Hartill's book on Chinese coins and I plan to find a good place to get genuine Chinese coins. I'll post a few pictures of coins in a month or so once I've gotten and identified them. Do you know of any reputable dealers who sell Chinese coins?
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 Posted 11/22/2011  05:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alf_coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hehe, you should read it as " chia, ding,long, bao", just starting from Chia, clockwise, to Bao.

Chinese: 嘉定eš†å¯¶

it's cast during 1208--1224, an iron coin minted by Southern Song Dynasty (1127--1279).

Actually, the order of the inscriptions on coin is clockwise, that's really rare among Chinese coins
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