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1798, 1799, Or 1799/8 ? Needing Help From Our Pros!

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I just posted this Large Cent on the Forum and someone questioned if it was a 1799. I had always assumed it was a 1798 with Style 2 hair - a nice but not rare date. After the question I am now having second thoughts about the 98. Could our Pros take a look at at and give me their thoughts/opinions as to year. The extremely high fourth digit of the date should be an indicator. The more I look at it, the more I think/hope it's a 9/8. Paleoguy

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 Posted 09/19/2011  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think there is a very good possibility that you have a 1799. I have compared it to several pictures of genuine 1799's and diagnostically, looks pretty good. I would sent it to ANACS.
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IMHO it is not a 1799, it does not match any of the three known dies for 1799. The alignment of Liberty is off for Breen 1 & 2 and the date spacing is off for variety 3.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paleoguy45 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my uninformed eye, it comes very close to matching this PCGS example, Specifically the date alignment..

http://caimages.collectors.com/coin...20323674.jpg
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 Posted 09/19/2011  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hambone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haha, didnt mean to start anything

Let me get out Penny Whimsy...
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Sorry to cause false hope, but I dont think its a '99 overdate after looking at the varieties for that year. Penny Whimsy doesn't list any reverse cracks for this overdate and the variety this could have been (S-188) Has a HEAVY die break on the upper right of the obverse. Unless this is another example of a 1799 NC-1 (highly unlikely), its just a regular ole 1798

I dont have time right now to look through the die varieties for 1798 (theres like a bajilion), but I might later. I like this kind of stuff
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The 1st picture looks like a 1798 and the 2nd picture has too much glare tell...
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after a quick look in my Breen's it looks like the #1726 on page 194
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 Posted 09/19/2011  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hambone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought it looked like a 9 in this picture:


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Think the thrill is gone on this one. Here's one with what appears to be a later strike with the same reverse die crack. Sometimes chicken - sometimes steak - sometimes potted meat with no crackers! It's all good! Paleoguy

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 Posted 09/20/2011  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hambone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a very attractive coin, nonetheless.

Better than my '98
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Sorry Paleoguy, I blew it. There's a 1799 with the exact reverse die crack, but mirror image. My brain got confused, I should have double-checked myself.

This is a 1798, S-166. Not a 9/8 variety. A fairly common '98, I should have known.
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Yep that heavy die crack on the left side of the reverse instantly identifies it as S-166. The S-188 overdate does have a similar crack on the right side in later states. That rev die was then used to strike 1798 S-186. I have seen a fake 1799 made from a S-186. that could be a real fooler because it has the correct reverse.
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